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REt    Posted 02-18-2004 at 16:46:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Seems like Bush is stepping in his own words too frequently now. I don't think him and his advisors are on the same page, or someone is lying again. He had to backtrack on the job figures today that he has been spouting. Either he is being mislead and is too naive to know it, which I doubt, or he thinks the people are not smart enough to understand what is going on. Only thing left is, he don't care. He better keep those Tx boots on, cause it is piling up around him.
REt




steve19438    Posted 02-19-2004 at 06:00:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
around thanksgiving time a new CABELAS store opened near hamburg, pa. from what i hear the store will pay little or no taxes for the next 20 yrs. app. 600 jobs were created.


Neal Boortz    Posted 02-18-2004 at 17:01:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Since when did it become the government's function to make sure anybody had a job?


toolman    Posted 02-18-2004 at 19:46:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
a govt. can create a good climate for companys to setup and create jobs, they have a number of tools at their disposal, low or no taxes for a number of years , low energy costs etc, they can and do create an economic climates favorable for job creation.


ret    Posted 02-18-2004 at 17:16:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
the government has ALWAYS tried to ensure employment for its citizens. Imagine what would happen if the powers that be were just to let it all go on its own. Without work, no tax money coming in. Without work, change of parties. Without work, riots and anarchy. Without work, collapse of a system, as in parts of Europe and many other parts of the world. Work is what makes a country strong and united.
REt


Dieselrider    Posted 02-18-2004 at 17:23:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
You do not create jobs by getting the government involved but, by keeping them out.


ret    Posted 02-18-2004 at 17:27:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
can't agree to that
REt


Fern(Mi)    Posted 02-19-2004 at 08:25:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
What we need here is someone ancient enough to tell these kids about the deppression from 1928 through WW2. Hover could not get them across Rosevelt mnaged to get the CCC's , WPA, and other programs going to put money in peoples pockets. He initiated every house in the country shall have electricity. And from those curency lined pockets came purchases. Modern stoves, washing machines, refigerators, and other products that needed working people to make the parts and assemble them.
Near as I see tax cuts do not creat jobs.
O momentary stimuly is no solution to a long time illness.
But Take heart. This nation could well become the police department to the world.
This is the way I've seen it.
Sorry!!!


Dieselrider    Posted 02-18-2004 at 18:43:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
When the govt. creates a job it does it through taxes. There are no govbt. jobs that produce anything, they only exist through the taxing of other workers. Basically WELFARE. When private companies create jobs it is for profit and that is what builds an economy.


and now    Posted 02-18-2004 at 19:11:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
these same private corporations are killing the job market. And, the stronger and more powerful they have become, the easier it is to dictate and create or ship jobs out. That is where the purpose of the govt comes in, Preamble to the constitution and Article 1 section 8 both mention promoting the general welfare of its citizens. That can be interpeted different ways maybe, but without Govt intervention, just go back to when this country was ran by robber barons and such. Maybe you have heard of the Sherman Antitrust act.
And sure, it is not the duty of the govt to make jobs, but it is to make sure that its citizens have a level playing field.
Incidently, you can't tax someone that has no job, they become a liability.
And, I hope you believe OSHA has done some good, because I can tell you we are better off because of it
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Dieselrider    Posted 02-19-2004 at 04:14:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
All that doesn't apply in all situations. You're talking major corporations and government protection. I'm talking small bussiness and enterpernorial spirit. Each and every time the government creates a job it will cost tax payers forever. You can not run an economy on taxes, you have to produce a product to bring in new money. The government jobs do not ever produce any products and financially an economy down. I know there are problems with get rich super corporations and if you're talking not allowing them to go off shore for cheap labor and then bringing the product back here to sell, then I agree. But, if your talking about the government "creating" jobs for America then please, we'd be better off on our own. The state doing everything for us is the way the communists look for solutions and that has already been proven not to work. I'm not sure we dissagree or maybe looking at the same problem in two different directions.


Burrhead    Posted 02-18-2004 at 19:57:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Diesel they aint talking about gubermint jobs. Seems to me they're talking about jobs as a result of gubermint actions.

A proper gubermint action should be to provide a stable American dollar that is worth at least a dollar, guidelines for employmnet in the area of garontold worker wages, affordable health benefits thru the private sector, recruit and bring real employers to every area of the 50 states

It does work and always has. The kink in the gears now is that Curious George and the BIG MONEY backers of the conservative party hit men have decided to skim from the top and steal from the bottom.

What's happened with Curious George and the GOP controlled gubermint has decided to hold all opportunities to see if the Scrubbers can handle the jobs or sub-contract?

Instead of jobs for the jobless Americans we get welfare. I'll agree it is welfare but it's not individual welfare as you mention, it is corporate welfare.

Remember the no-bid Cheneyburton Iraq contracts?? or maybe remember the Cheneyburton overbilling of our gubermint for petrol products and soldier's meals??

I even remember Grey Davis getting the boot because of the hidden energy ties of Uncle Dick. The Enron energy supply raped every citizen from at least Houston, Texas to the farthermost part of Califruity.

We got a crooked Veep that wines and dines the lead Supreme Court Justice as the Veep lobbies to not have to turn over secret meetings info from the failed energy policy and adjoining Enron .

We get a Prez-Select that wines and dines Ken Lay before after and during the Prez elections debackle.

Then Ken Lay gets a free ride that paid him several million$$$$$.

Here's a quote from Texas GOP House hynchman Tom DeLay after the Scalia 5 decision:
"We have the House, we have the Senate, we have the White House.. the things we dreamed about we can now do unfettered." - Tom DeLay

When the average working class American quits listening to propaganda radio and will quit worrying about Bill and Hillary it might get better.

I never did see what conservatives have against folks having consentual secs.

Bill Clinton had to veto and shut down the gubermint cause of the conservative glut over the budget. Our budget went on to be the strongest and longest running streak of properity in American history under Pres Clinton

He did all that good stuff and still had time for a nooner ever once in a while. Poor George can't even work a month without a month vacation, and a 3 hour nap every day..



Dieselrider    Posted 02-19-2004 at 04:22:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
I guess maybe we should then start a revolution because either side of the political bench is run by very well to do people and neither side is going to support the working man, no matter what they say in front of a large crowd.


PDB    Posted 02-19-2004 at 08:52:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Check out the link below to see how deeply rooted the socialist/communist party is in our congress. Even the minority leader is a socialist.



Burrhead    Posted 02-19-2004 at 14:31:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
That's kinda like the GOP leaders. If you trace down the orgs that Trentt Lott, Ashcroft and Bush Sr keep giving the $100,000 lectures to they all boil down to the KKK.


PDB    Posted 02-20-2004 at 07:17:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah, the KKK is just like communism.< sarcasm/>

Next time I see Nancy Pelosi I might not think of Uncle Joe starving to death all those farmers in the Ukraine.


KellyGa    Posted 02-18-2004 at 16:51:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ian was telling me about that when he was leaving for work, lol. 22 million jobs have been lost, and he is going to produce 26 million by the end of this year???? Yeah..right. Gonna get all those jobs back and then some, YEAH....RIGHT. What alternate universe is he in???


No Jobs Here    Posted 02-18-2004 at 17:19:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeh, they'll be high payin', big benefit jobs like say.........telemarketing or greeters at Wallet World. He's full of it, Clinton shipped 'em all overseas and now Bush is going to bring 'em back.......Get real! We are now living with what the Clintons had done. Those 2.6 million jobs he's talking about are for Mexicans!

RY


ret    Posted 02-18-2004 at 16:56:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
2.6 million Kelly
REt


KellyGa    Posted 02-18-2004 at 17:05:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
OOPS! Just shows I don't listen to a thing he says, lol.


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