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casetractorgirl    Posted 02-20-2004 at 17:09:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Help! I've gotten myself back into college and on of the papers I need to do is an arguementative or positional arguement - anyway I want to do something along the lines of Case IH VS. John Deere -
What I need from all of you is:
Why do you like the one that you do -
what kind of farming do you partake in -
how long have you been farming
and where in the US do you live (N S E W)

Appreciate the help!

Tractor Guy    Posted 07-07-2006 at 11:24:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
I just have to take up for John Deere. Seems like everyone else wants to talk bad about them. John Deere is the premium product!! I worked for a JD dealership for several years, and I sold a few green machines and there is no profit margin. The profit margins is made on the cheap red tractors, I could sell and new JD tractor for let's say $120,000 and an average margin for this machine is about $500 to $1000. So selling JD equipment is not a money making market. the reason that most bad mouth Deere is because they don't own a green one and they want to take up for their own junk tractors. I may lean more to Deere's side, but there is a reason for that, i have used competitive equipment and it is always junk, that spends more time in the shop. And another thing, Deere does have more market share in farm equipment in the US. That should tell you something.

Sid    Posted 02-20-2004 at 19:54:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well you want factual knowledge so here is the facts as I know them. I own 140 acres in SW MO. and raise hay and cattle. I own two Allis Chalmers tractors. Why? Because I know more about them than other makes since I have been around them more than the others. As for the facts about Case IH and John Deere tractors I know nothing about them except Case IH is red and John Deere is green.

jdemaris    Posted 02-20-2004 at 19:11:56       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You seek empircal evidence and not anecdotal? I'm not going to supply source citations or primary sources that will measure up to academic scrutiny. That being said, I've lived in the Northeast for 50+ years. I use utility size tractors (under 50 horse) and am involved in dairy farming, corn and hay production. I also worked for a Deere dealer for a long time and have friends that are dairy farmers. Most of them have phased out their smaller tractors and replaced them with large (over 100 horse) four-wheel-drives. For those that are still able to keep their financial heads above water, John Deere is usually the tractor of choice. In this area, many other dealers of other makes have come and gone. That includes the once big-names like Case, IH, Allis Chalmers, and Ford and also lesser like Cockshutt, Leyland, Long, Same, Porsche, etc. The only one that has survived in this area is Deere. So, for Deere owners, a dealer has remained nearby. For the rest, no good. Also, Deere - as far as I know - is about the only tractor company that remains intact, i.e. not subsumed by some other group. It's a 150 year old company that still had Deere family members helping to run the company until 1982. Subsequently, there is a sense of nostalgia, loyalty, and trust with many Deere owners.
There certainly was a time here, not too long ago, when many had that same level of trust in Ford, IH, Case, Oliver, etc., but now, especially with farm money being tight, investing in new farm equipment is a gamble even with a company with proven longevity, i.e. Deere.
At present, there seems to be a dichotomy when it comes to new tractor buying. There are those that feel buying a high-cost tractor from a company like Deere will ultimately save money down the road. But, there are others that have become more skeptical, and are buying much cheaper tractors from Belarus, AGCO, Mahindra, Long Argribusiness, etc. and seem to be doing quite well with them. With some of these cheaper tractors, the proposed justification is - #1 they're more utilitarian and thus easier to work on by the owner (that was a claim Deere had back with the old 2 cylinder tractors) ,#2 since they often cost less than half the cost of a high end tractor, you could use one up, scrap it, and buy another and still be ahead, and #3 why look too far ahead when buying a tractor when the future of farming itself looks so bleak? It might be true; do a controlled scientific study.
Just to make things clear, there were many good tractors built besides the Deeres. But, no other company has been able to last on its own. I've got three Cases, one IH, one Ford, two Deeres, two Allis Chalmers, and one Oliver Cletrac. They're all well built machines.

henrich Iowa    Posted 02-20-2004 at 18:14:45       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Actually, at the present time, I don't own a tractor that runs. I have a McCormick WD6 that I purchased on ebay last fall and will start the restoration this spring.
I sold New Holland equipment at one time for a short lived company (only in business one and one-half years) right before the CaseIH/New Holland fiasco. Personally, New Holland was so far ahead of Case in the tractor industry it was unbelievable. John Deere would like everyone to believe that they sell more tractors than any other company. Fact is, they don't and are fastly loosing market share with CNH and Agco taking away their business in foreign and domestic markets. New Holland really baled Case IH out financially and then ended up suffering from the situation and allowing the head honcho's of Case in the United States to run the show here until they finally realized that they were destroying CNH just like they had done their own company of Case IH.
If you want to drive a real tractor, try anything that is made in Europe. They are so much more advanced than the American made John Deeres it is unbelievable. For one thing, if a mechanic is required to work on them it is a matter of minutes to repair the new foreign tractors compared to the John Deere's. John Deere designs their tractors to make money for their dealers. To do a PTO replacement can take up to an 8 hour day where some of the foreign tractors can be repaired in about 30 minutes.
John Deere acted like they had such a great invention with their new transmission, it was being used by foreign tractor manufacturers for at least three years before they marketed it. John Deere acted like they had such a great invention when they started using the 3-point hitch, remember those on your old Ford tractors? John Deere acted like they really invented the terrain tracer head for their combines when New Holland actually came out with it back in the late 70's. About the only good things I can say about John Deere is they paint their equipment well. Yes, I have owned John Deere equipment but I will never again. Former, Farmall, International, John Deere, Deutz owner.

Les    Posted 02-20-2004 at 18:09:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Go over on the YT site and post those questions on the Farmall and John Deere boards. You'll get more opinions than you want to read and probably start another war in the process.
I'm a Case and Farmall guy. Not crazy about John Deeres. Just my personal preference.

TB    Posted 02-20-2004 at 18:20:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
While you there stop at the case board. One of has a board just for arguing about who's tractors best and what the best coler. Hear tell it gets pritty thick there though.

Burrhead    Posted 02-20-2004 at 18:16:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
How many acres uh rowcrops you put in this year Brudderless??

Dieselrider    Posted 02-20-2004 at 18:15:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah, but you're also a new englander too and we don't hold that against you. Lol. Actually I have a red on, and a green one, and an orange one, and even a yellw and black skid steer. I wonder if Marci will let me get another one? :)

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