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Mac/MS    Posted 02-23-2004 at 08:07:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
was a motorcycle. Two I saw was a 650 and a 750 Commando, the 750 very desirable for choppers. Very strong 2 cylinders. Sounds similar to a Triumph.


jdemaris    Posted 02-23-2004 at 19:00:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I had a brand new Norton Commando with the Combat 750 c.c. engine, but that's a different story. I don't think Norton motorcycles existed when that song was written. Think its an old English song, and many of the words have their roots in Old English or Gaelic.


Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2004 at 08:20:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Read it again...

The other things they 'came upon' were

A porcupine
A toad frog
An outhouse

When they get to the last verse it is:

"They came upon Norton"

They came upon Norton...Not A Norton...

It is not refering to anything but a place or person...'Norton' in this instance is not a 'thing'...


~Lenore    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:02:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Salmoneye, you are correct as usual.
I did not notice the difference in the wording of the song and the title of this thread.
I guess "what is Norton?" would have been a more technically correct way of addressing this.
I read what is a Norton and did not notice the different wording in the song.
I guess it goes to show you I do not check details as carefully as I should!! ;-)




Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:10:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Neither do I...

I just like arguing...

;-)



~Lenore    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:21:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dog gone it; I don't like argueing!
....but challenging my mind is something else.
So... addressing this here is what I found:


Traditional English song also sometimes known as Three Jolly Huntsmen or We Hunted & We Hallooed or We Hooped & We Hollered or Three Jolly Welshmen or other variations.

A section of this or very similar song is quoted in the Fletcher play "The Two Noble Kinsmen" written around 1613.

The Sleepy Hollow Hog Stompers perform a fairly short version of the song;


Three me went a-hunting,
And something they did find,
They came across a porcupine,
And that they left behind,
Irishman said it's a porcupine,
Scotsman he said nay,
Welshman said it's a pin cushion,
With the pins stuck in the wrong way.
Three me went a-hunting,
And something they did find,
They came across a toad-frog,
And that they left behind,
Irishman said it's a toad-frog,
Scotsman he said nay,
Welshman said it's a jay bird,
With the feathers blown away.

Three me went a-hunting,
And something they did find,
They came across a (faucet?),
And that they left behind,
Irishman said it's a (faucet?),
Scotsman he said nay,
Welshman said it's the end of the world,
Let's go back the other way.

So it would seem that words were changed at different times between 1613 and 1962 when Garcia did it. "Traditional" songs seem to be easily canged by the preformers. Now that I have satisfied my curiosity, I am going to work




~Lenore    Posted 02-23-2004 at 10:57:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
...changed...


Dang...    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:30:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
You're good...

Salmoneye, The Impressed


Les...Oooooo    Posted 02-23-2004 at 10:27:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
She is good, ain't she! I guess if I ever do the song, I'll just stick in whatever word I want in place of Norton and there ain't but a handful of people that would ever know the difference. ";^)


Les...Hmmmm    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:02:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, maybe it ain't in the printed words, but when they sing it, they definitely say "They came upon a Norton, and that they left behind...".
Maybe we need somebody from across the pond to clear this up for us. Like somebody said earlier, I would guess that this song has been around a lot longer than Norton motorcycles as both the words and music are "traditional".


Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:08:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree that the song is older than motorcycles...As I am not familiar with this version of the tune (which is weird seeing as I am an ex-DeadHead) I can go by nothing but the words as they are posted on that site...

The line:

"The Welshman said it's the end of the world
Let's go back the other way"

Makes me think even more that 'Norton' is a place...What is the farthest place on the UK Isles to the north?...

Just wondering...


Les    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:16:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I paid scant attention to the Grateful Dead. The first time I heard this song, my son downloaded it off the internet along with some of the other Grisman stuff he thought I'd like, and made a CD of it. I had just about forgotten about it until yesterday when I had the "Kid Tune" channel on the Dish playing form my grandchildren and that song played. Stirred my curiousity so I did a little digging, hence the discussion which is now in its second day.
";^)


steve19438    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:59:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
fear not! i am working on it like it or not!!! just hope i get a answer ......


Salmoneye    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:28:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Many people only think of Gerry Garcia as part of the 'Dead'...However...One of my favourite albums he was part of from the 70's is called 'Old And In The Way'...

Garcia plays live at The Boarding House in the company of Grisman, Peter Rowan, Vassar Clements, and John Kahn...

Kind of strange if you hear this out of context, but Garcia reminds me of Roy Clark...Pretty much able to play anything with strings and way under-rated...

All IMHO, of course...


toolman    Posted 02-23-2004 at 08:43:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
what i don,t think anybody heard ya.


Would it help...    Posted 02-23-2004 at 08:51:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
If I used all capitals for ya?

Salmoneye


toolman    Posted 02-23-2004 at 08:52:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
probably not i read your responce earlier , i would get tired repeating it by now .lol


I'm...    Posted 02-23-2004 at 09:03:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just trying to help, ya'know *sniff*...

You know how sensitive *sniff* I am *sniff*...

LOL

Salmoneye


toolman    Posted 02-23-2004 at 16:37:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
i know , i don,t know why all these people can,t see that and cut you some slack and help ya out some,not very sensitive are they.


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