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Help choosing a farm gun
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Don In OK    Posted 01-15-2002 at 11:00:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well I checked the archives but did not find a post that woud help.

I live on 160 acres in a fairly rural setting, nearest house is about one half mile away.

I am looking for advice on what type of general gun to have. I need something simple to use but handy for coyote or skunks. I have hunted with 22
and 12 gage shotguns but not a lot.

I just want a good sturdy gun in the house when I need it.

Any ideas would be helpfull

Don In Ok

Lil    Posted 02-28-2002 at 03:29:47       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Have to put my 2 cent worth in here. I was raised with loaded guns in the house. Raised our 7 kids with loaded guns in the house, and still have loaded guns in the house. Grandkids learned not to touch them, and Great Grandkids are learning. We live out in the country, and have to deal with coyotes, skunks, and other animals of prey. The two best guns are a 30-30. That will take out anything you need to take out. And a 4-10 is a great gun to scare off critters, and it can take out a skunk easy. Someone mentioned a 22. Those are one of the most dangerous guns a person can own. The bullet will travel a long way and can kill or mame at a mile. Most things shot with a 22 will still run off unless the bullet hit a vital spot. A 22 slug can go right thru and the critter will keep going til it bleeds to death. That is not the way for something to die. For you guys, a 12 guage would be great. But I don't like getting kicked each time I shoot. So those are my two favorite county living rifles. God Bless, Lil.

Don in OK    Posted 01-17-2002 at 13:31:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
thanks for all the info.

I am getting a winchester 94 30.30 as soon as I can find one. I will let you know how it works out.

Thanks again


Ludwig    Posted 01-18-2002 at 11:53:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Remember this:
When I took hunter's safety class they laid out a whole buncha guns and said "which one is the most dangerous?" Most people pointed to the mini-14. Turns out the answer was the model 94. Reasoning went along with no manual safety, the ability to "snap" the hammer by accident, and a few other things.
I came very close to an accident one time unloading a model 94 since you have to chamber each round to unload. I must have accidently hit the trigger and it went off when the round seated. Fortunately safe gun handling prevailed as I had it pointed in a safe direction. After that I learned you don't need to seat the round, just get it into the chamber...

Tom A    Posted 01-16-2002 at 07:52:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Why only one? :-)

If, like for me, it's a money issue, get a used single shot 12 gauge (got mine for $25. It is good and reliable) for close-in critters, and a .22 LR for a little farthur out...there are lots of good ones (Ruger 10-22 for example) around, and you can usually pick up a decent shooting .22 cheap. Then look for something a little bigger for even farther out; I was able to pick up a good-shooting but ugly M1 cheap. Between those 3: "What you can see, you can hit. what you can hit, you can kill."

Just my 2 cents.

'Bandit'    Posted 01-16-2002 at 06:48:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
35 rem.....
says it all, wonderful gun, good persuader to get animals to see things your way.

Dave    Posted 01-16-2002 at 04:27:32       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ruger Single6 in .22 Mag. The best all around gun I have ever owned. I carry one year around when riding horseback in the mountains. Very accurate, and if you miss, it is so damn noisy everything runs away! If handgun isnt the answer the 10/22 Ruger is hard to beat. Ask any oldtimer in northern Minnesota what they hunt white tail with. You dont find them out in the woods on hunting opener!

Salmoneye    Posted 01-16-2002 at 02:23:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I tend to agree with Greg below.

I have a Marlin Lever .44Mag (Well, the Wife does actually) that is one handy little ranch gun.
It is however a short range weapon.

For fast follow up close shooting I think you would be hard pressed to find a better rifle than an old M1 Carbine. Small, reliable .30 cal that is just plain fun to shoot and makes a great home defence or ranch gun with the correct ammo.

For drop in the mud, drag through the swamp and come up shooting reliability though...I have to say a Chinese made SKS. 7.62x39 ammo is dirt cheap and plentiful. Load it with some soft points and it is good on anything up to whitetails at moderate range and reaches out and touches coyotes to 150 yards easily with iron sights...

Ludwig    Posted 01-16-2002 at 13:30:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ugh, I hate to say it, but the SKS walks all over the M1 carbine. I've never shot anything as junky as that carbine. The sights look good, but won't stay set! I've shot probably 10 different ones and never found one that shot good. I've probably shot 40 different SKS rifles and they shoot so dammed good its scary. The sights on the SKS are really klunky compared to the M1, but they don't move.

Hogman------- ALL CARBINES WERENOT    Posted 01-18-2002 at 19:27:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Created equal. I have a fairly limited experience with the little critters but mabe more'n some.

In 1953 I was named firing team capt of the Group Carbine team for State championship matchs. At the time I was a Btry co with 67 carbines in My strong room. I took a small team to pull targets etc,all the carbines and a good supply of ammo and went to the range.
During two days time I layed on My belly and fired each one and yep, some were junk,had a couple of bolts break . No harm but disabled the weapon. Both Winchester flat bolts. Anyway I weeded it down to 6 out of the 67 firing at 100 and 300 yards. All were round bolts which were at the tail end of production and intended to simplify production. None were Winchester!

Rule was that no weapons could be altered in any way but could be repaired. I took the six home and floated barrels AND ACTIONS, got em so they just flopped down in the stock and "reinforced "the wood around the actions with acraglass. And, filed some roughness off the front sights.

I fired them clear out to 600 yards with good results. Are They a tack driver? no! But We shot next door to the M1 teams and ran up better scores and Yes ,My team waxed the rest and realy cleaned house at 300 yards. Me? I lost high individual by one lousy point which was great since I trained tha man that beat Me.

Now, I have gone jackrabbit huntin on the reservation with Them and with issue ammo, I hit lots of em but seldom got a clean kill to the point of givin up for tha rabbits sake.
Basicaly it is a rimless 32-20 which never was much. Last but not least, that 110 grain bullet has all the cross sectional density of a round ball so You realy have to keep track of the wind!!!!!

Salmoneye    Posted 01-17-2002 at 03:17:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Huh...Sorry about your experiences with the M1 Carbine, but I have had exactly the opposite.

My IBM is one of the most rugged little carbines I have ever muckled onto.
As for tack driver, the M1 just aint, and never was meant or designed to be. If I can shoot the label out of a Miller Highlife at 50 yards with the millitary issued peeps, that is good enough accuracy for me. My sights have not been moved in the 30 years that I know the history of this gun.

And a better fish shooting gun was never made...


Burrhead    Posted 01-16-2002 at 20:49:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah I like a SKS but I like my 30-30 Winchester 94 too. Either one of them will ride in a truck bed or under the seats without pampers and baby pablum til you need it.

One of my fav shotguns is my Marlin Goose gun.

Ludwig    Posted 01-17-2002 at 08:21:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bolt action with a poly choke?
My grandfather had one. I don't know how it is, but that gun seemed to kick harder than anything else I ever shot. It was a big heavy thing too, which should have tamed it down, but never seemed to.

Burrhead    Posted 01-17-2002 at 09:17:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yep it's a bolt wit a 36" barrel. It does pack a punch but if you get it lined up anywhere close to what your shooting at it's history.

Reynolds    Posted 01-16-2002 at 03:09:20       [Reply]  [No Email]

A Marlin 22mag with Hollow Point ammo. I've dropped many a coyote with mine. A very nice lower cost weapon.

IHank    Posted 01-15-2002 at 18:55:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Don- Give lots of thought to using the plain old fashioned .22 hollow point round. You can do it with a rifle or a pistol. Lots of critters snicker about the .22, but very few get up after being hit by one of 'em. The .22 over a 410, or 20 guage, is a good combination long gun.

In town get you a can of wasp & hornet killer if you don't want hassles with your local gestapo cops. It's good stuff and "street legal". IHank

Kansas Kid    Posted 01-15-2002 at 18:10:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Get something with adjustable iron sights unless you plan on spending some money on a good quality Leupold scope. Stay away from the Tasco scopes they do not make a good scope. For what you are going to use the gun for I would go with a 30/30 since you have neighbors fairly close.

Greg D.    Posted 01-15-2002 at 17:56:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]

I`ll go along with either the Marlin or the Winchester lever action, however the caliber would be .44 magnum.
Yes the 30-30 has a longer range,long enough range to land in someones elses property? It also has a LOT more kick to it.
I had a Marlin in 30-30 and it was a very good rifle. I now have a Winchester in .44 mag and enjoy it more.
I`m a puss so I don`t like getting hammered with recoil when going out to do some shooting.
Ruger also makes a semi auto in .44 mag. Except for the Winchester, everything else I`ve had has been Ruger, hard to beat in any caliber.

Ludwig    Posted 01-16-2002 at 13:24:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good point. I've shot a Marlin 357 lever gun quite a bit in cowboy sillouette and its alot of fun.
Personally I don't think a 30-30 kicks to bad. The 348 I shot the moose with, now that kicks!

Ludwig - again    Posted 01-16-2002 at 13:27:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Almost forgot.
Before we went on the moose hunt dad said I should practice some fast shooting in case my first shot was bad and I had to hit again.
I felt like "The Rifleman" but boy I could rattle off the shots, this with a lever gun. We left the range confident I could turn a moose into hamburger if I had to. That was a saturday, the next day we left to drive up to where we would hunt and I could barely lift my right arm, I had a HUGE black and blue in my shoulder. On reflection we had gone through probably 40 rounds. Thats alot of pummeling from a big rifle like that.

Donna    Posted 01-15-2002 at 17:34:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You will be hard pressed to hit a coyote with a 22
on the farm here I use a 410 for snakes and other simular things I use the long range 3 inch #4 shot, it works well, I use a rifle for longer shots, the rifle of choice is of corse a personal favorite for each person.

Ludwig    Posted 01-16-2002 at 13:15:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
I dunno Donna, I bet I could hit a coyote with a .22, it probably wouldn't dispatch him, but I bet I could hit him.

I have a .300 savage model 99 thats my coyote killer. For some years we had trouble with them milling around the camp and making a mess of things. I had a tree I'd climb into at dusk and I'd dust two or three a night before the rest realized they didn't want to stick around that area.
After a couple nights we didn't have any more problems.

BOSS    Posted 01-15-2002 at 16:00:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here's my 2 cents. If you want a good vermin rifle, a ruger 10-22, great gun !! a pistol? ruger superblackhawk .357.

LazyHorse    Posted 01-15-2002 at 12:41:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have to concur with the 30/30 caliber. i just purchased a nice used marlin modell 336 for the same purpose. I have .22 and 12 gauge also, but when I need to shoot something they always seemed a little too far out to be effective. By the way I would reccomend the Marlin since they are already drilled and tapped for scopemounts.

buck    Posted 01-15-2002 at 11:59:13       [Reply]  [No Email]

when it comes to guns I guess they are like all other tools need a particular one for a particular job but would have to say that if I was reduced to just one I would go with the Model 94 winchester in 30/30 . Good from close to 150 yds. small to large game. Ammo most anywhere ammo is sold and not expensive, over 100 yrs of proven reliability . easy to carry,use and maintain and can be bought in a wide varity of prices.

Old Sarge    Posted 01-15-2002 at 11:47:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I would recommend a 257 Roberts, if you can find one. Or a 243.Either are a Excellent Varmint gun out to 300 yds and flat shooters.

They are a little light for deer but can bring them down, otherwise go to a 30-30. Both Marlin and Winchester make them. .30 calibre with 30 grains of powder. Excellent in brush (live oak.). Just my $.02 worth

Ludwig    Posted 01-15-2002 at 11:37:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
For sheer utility look for something like a .22 over 20ga. shotgun rifle combo.
You can use the .22 to dispatch skunks, coons, squirrels and the like, and the 20ga with shot on birds and such. The 20ga with slugs will take down a deer at moderate range, say 50 yards or so.
I have one, it was made by Savage and is a very small, handy gun. I've seen them in shops for around $50.

Another good, inexpensive choice is a .410 shotgun. You can get them cheap enough at Walmart, a trifle small for deer it'd be well sized for squirrels and such.
For varmints and things a 30-30 or 30.06 is a bit large, and if you don't shoot much a pistol is less accurate.

If you've got neighbors that don't like the noise consider one of the highpower pellet guns on the market. They'll kill a small varmint at moderate range, again 50 yards is about it. With BBs instead of pellets most larger animals will be persuaded not to stick around, but not killed. The same thing goes for a .22.

If you wanted just a .22 I'd recommend Ruger's 10/22. They're cheap, available, and the rotary mag is pretty much indestructable. If you decide you want more accuracy than stock there are lots of hop-up parts. My dad shoots a 10/22 with a target bull barrel and 36x scope on NRA silloutte targets. Them things are small! The 40m chickens can be covered with a quarter. I use a Remington model 37 target rifle and can only keep ahead of him because I'm bigger and can handle a heavier gun. Of course I'm 25 years younger too, that helps.

Dustin Hampton    Posted 11-24-2004 at 15:56:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ruger 10/22 is one of the best s available I shoot one with raised scope mounts so i can still use the iron sights. And have a 3-9x40 scope and can hit anything within a quarter of a inch.

hunter    Posted 01-15-2002 at 11:02:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
A good gun would be a tech 9 pistol a AR-15 or a good 30 ood 6 or 308 should do fine a 12 gauge would also work

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