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Aprille    Posted 03-07-2004 at 15:36:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My 1992 Buick Skylark is coughing and sputtering and Dyin' DAILY! Had a bunch of trouble with him last week..some noise or other..Brought him to Winter St Auto in Ashland and the guy changed my water pump and proceeded to charge me 400.00 for him and his garage rats to sit around for 5 HOURS drinkin BUD!! So as before my car will start to go up hill and act like he's not gettin enuf son and his bud think it's the Fuel pump..does this sound right to anyone?? Just don't want to get ripped off again and the guy Dan from Winter St Auto hung up the phone on me..Help please!! Oh..His name is Dan and he is at Winter Street Motors in Ashland NH..His # is 603 968-3230..Do NOT ever go there all you people in New England for ANY reason..he is a ripoff and he treats women like idiots! Thanx in advance

SusieQ    Posted 03-08-2004 at 03:10:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Did he check the pc valve? sounds like a sensor or fuel filter. Yeah, got to watch some of these places, they will rip you off bigtime.

LH    Posted 03-07-2004 at 23:14:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
I love a puzzle and yours seems pretty intriguing. Could be something as simple as a fuel filter or timing adjustment, to a more complicated problem like the fuel pump, or one of the electronic engine controls. My advice is similar to the other fellers and that is to take the car to a reputable dealer and get proper diagnosis and estimate. If you dont trust one shop more than another and ya think the price is too high get a second opninion. If it were me I would try the simple cheap fuel filter first then if that dont cure it be prepared to spend some money at a good shop

RusselAZ    Posted 03-07-2004 at 20:41:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Which engine do you have? It makes a difference, big difference in what can be wrong with it. IF you have a 4 cylinder, the 400 dollar water pump is pretty close and may be a good deal. The 4 cylinder 's water pump is driving by the timing CHAIN on a sproket. Sometimes the splines on the water pump are worn and are a real trip to take out of the sproket which you can't get to in a heartbeat. Further, the exhaust manifold has to come off to get it out. The suggested book on this engines water pump is around 5 hours and the exhaust manifold will get another hour tacked on to that. So, you have the price of the water pump, which is 75 to 95 dollars, an exhaust manifold gasket, asst supplies, one being new coolant and if they did it right it should have had a new thermostat installed.

The 3.3 V6 that your car could have would have an easier water pump to do, but the suggested time for the water pump AND the interference stuff is around 3.5 hours plus the water pump, which on the V6 is probably around $50. So, even on the V-6 the cost could be more than $300 I would suppose and less than $400. You tack on 8% sales tax on parts and you get to add a little more.

Beings you said they sat on their butts and drank beer for 5 hours, I'm going to assume you have the 4 cylinder.

IF you do have the 4 cylinder and want a tune up be prepared to spend about that $400.00 again. IF yours has high mileage and has never, or hasn't for many miles had any tune up stuff done, there is only one way to do it to assure that there will not be a continuing engine miss and that is to replace the coil manifold, the spark plug connectors and spark plugs. The way these are built there is just to much chance for an ignition leak to the engine if anything is disturbed and all is not replaced. Your lack of power could be a fuel pressure problem but almost always these little 4's have need of ignition replacement. They run great on 4, don't run at all on two, and beings it is a DIS, any problem with one cylinder's ignition takes out two.

TIP: People who post about car repairs need to tell what engine in addition to the year and model. It does no good for anyone to claim they were ripped off with some fraudulant repair if there is no way to identify what the repair should cost. The ignition on the V-6 can be pricey so just be prepared when you ask someone to work on it.

The White Mountain is pulling down so I better go. It's paddle licking time!!

Jessie    Posted 03-07-2004 at 19:55:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sounds like a clogged catalitic converter

ron,ar    Posted 03-08-2004 at 05:33:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
you may be on to something there, and that won't show up on most electronic scans either. It will also cause the ego sensor to fail causing other problems.

toolman    Posted 03-07-2004 at 20:30:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
will they cause something like that jessi,never knew anything much about them, used to tear them off the older stuff when they first came out.

Burrhead    Posted 03-07-2004 at 20:57:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
yep they'll do that toolster.

The symtoms ounds just like a converter stopping up.

When they start plugging up- the engine temp goes up and the engine starts losing power and fading out like it's starving for gas, just like a fuel pump problem.

I always cripple the dang things myself.

toolman    Posted 03-08-2004 at 01:11:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
never knew they could make a car act up like that, good to know,i,ll keep that in mind now. i use to chop them right out when i could, never had the enviormental cops get me yet.

toolman    Posted 03-07-2004 at 17:30:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
$400,00 and 5 hours sounds a bit high to me , hard to say whats wrong with your car without seeing it , but i can,t figure why he would think it was a water pump.if it does that when under load (ie.going up a hill), and if your son is handy get him to change your fuel filter , start with the easiest cheapest stuff first, then pull the plugs check them, if they look bad change them, get a multi meter, test you wires for resistance, if it still doing it take it to a good garage put it on a scope.good luck

donna in w.v    Posted 03-07-2004 at 17:05:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
can't help with the car problem but since the guy who fixed it didn't i'd call the local newsstation . as you may know i grew up in new bedford ,ma. and had a problem with a car dealer who sold my 18 yr.a lemon of a car and when we couldn't get him to fix it or refund his money i called channel 4 out of boston they have a consumer help lady . she took all the info and call the dealer herself and when she explained that he was going to be on the 6 o'clock news he call and offered the kid a refund. i think her name was susan something . it might at least get what you spent back so you can fix what's wrong.

Les    Posted 03-07-2004 at 17:21:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not sure who Channel 4 has because I seldom watch it but Channel 7 has a woman named Hank (?) Phillippi Ryan who likes to stir up that kind of shutt. Doubt if they'd be much interested in Aprille's case way up here in Noo Hampster. Channel 9 out of Manchester has an office over in Meredith which ain't far away from her. Not sure if they like to do those kind of muckraking stories or not as I can't get it here where I am.
BTW, Donna, we got lots of neighbors up this way who came from New Bedford by way of the Azores. Real nice folks.

donna in w.v    Posted 03-07-2004 at 17:28:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
nana[my dad's mom] came from st.michael in the azores. she was a Santos who married a man named Cabral maybe we're related .

ret    Posted 03-07-2004 at 20:08:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
do you ever get together and make a pot of Soupus on a cold day? My portugese neighbors in Ca used to make it a lot. Most on here won't know what it is, hope you do They have a special day in Watsonville, Ca just for making Soupus, gets a lot of people to come to it.

Les    Posted 03-07-2004 at 17:37:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
There's two sisters who have a little restaurant up in Lincoln, just north of me. Not sure what their maiden name was. Izzie is now married to a man name of Araujo. Maria's last name is Smith!
My brother just rented to a young couple who are somehow related to Izzie and Maria. His last name is Ventura. (No, it's not Jesse!) He's a tree worker for Asplundh. The best kind of neighbors you could have. Just wonderful people to have around.

donna in w.v    Posted 03-07-2004 at 17:41:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i was kidding about being related . it's kind of a joke that all portugees are related. we're not but somehow we always find some common relative no matter how distant.

ron,ar    Posted 03-07-2004 at 17:20:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
yep, we have what they call "7-on-your-side" here. At least half involve auto repairs or sales. Thats why this stuff really chaps me.
I remember when auto mechanics were well thought of back in the 50's & 60's. Then in the 70's and early 80's something slipped and we became thought of as shysters sorta. By training and certification programs we pulled ourselves up out of that hole and made us more professional. These bad apples hurt us all.JMO

Fern(Mi)    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:56:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Looks like a lot of good advice.

Better than mine. Can't help that. I tend to think do-it-yourself.

Les    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:55:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Take it to Rheinhart's. You must know where that is. Turn right at the Wal-Mart light instead of left into Wal-Mart. Dealers always charge more but you have a better chance for getting it done right and much more recourse than at Bubba Whoever's place on Winter St.

Clipper    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:38:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wittout being there and seeing what the vehicle is doing I won't venture into the repair aspects of it....take the vehicle to a Buick dealer and let em check her out to determine what needs to be for the fellow who you honestly feel ripped you off I would 1st file a complaint with your State DMV and 2nd file claim against him in Small Claims Court(cost about $30 for this) will be incumbent upon HIM to show/explain the repair costs he charged you.Nothing ventured-nothing gained. Good luck.:^)

ret    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:28:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
One relay or sensor on today's cars can give you the problem you have. You GOT to have the car run through a diagnostic computer, a quick test. Usually a test like that is for one hour of labor.
A buick dealer would be preferred by me, dealer mechanics are more familar with your car than an independent. You can get a pretty good estimate up front before they do the work. Now, as to what was done to your car, they should have given you a price ahead of time. Been out of the business for awhile, but I would call the Bureau of Auto repairs in your state. BBB might help, but probably not much. Email a federal bureau too, got to be an address on the web somewhere to write to.
REt good luck

TO35...advice    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:13:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Aprille... I agree with Ron, sounds like a drivabilty problem. Yes it could be fuel pump, it could be fuel filter...could be alot of things...but why spend money needlessly....carry it to a reputable Mechanic... Ase certified perfably...or a dealer as most tech's there are generaly ase cert. price a scan and a scope...A scan is where you hook a hand help computer to your car(yes your 92 does have one) and it scan it for srevice codes and possible problems...if it's related to your drivabilty problem you should have a check engine light on....
When you have problems and no check engine light its usually a mechanical problem...sensor, wire, plug etc. this can be verified by a scope being attached to your car.
If you can't get a price up front for a scan and scope go else where...any reputable Ase Tech.
will be glad to quote you before work begins...
Me and Ron are both Mechanics or Tech's which ever you prefer...but one thing we can't do is guess fix a car...neither can anyone else who recommends you just replace this or that with out first knowing what the problem is. We can tell you what we think it is, but there you go...thinking instead of checking and knowing...

Take good advice if you don't have a tech. you can trust go to an ase certified shop and ask anybody you can about them.
and as a foot note I would complain in writing to the shop that did your work. 400 dollars for a water pump is way high...

best wishes and if I can help you in anyway give me a holler...


TO35...advice    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:13:13       [Reply]  [No Email]

deadcarp    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:46:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
you still around tryna stir up a storm, chaser? Surprised your maw hasn't found you out yet. Doesn't yer server work sundays? Oh well, his puter has copies of all your posts just like kim does. :)

TO35    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:38:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Storm chaser....I would like to extend my hand down to you...but its not long enough to reach the bottom of the barrell in which you live...
I will tell you though that we discuss alot of things here....but we draw the line at attacking a persons charcter....

Fawteen    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:22:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
If we follow that logic, you shouldn't own a computer.

Clipper    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:40:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Amen to that...yer quicker on the keys than me F14.... :^)

Prolly more diplomatic than I woudda posted too! LOL!

Fawteen    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:45:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks, and I'm going to shut up now, before I give in to the urge to type what I REALLY think.

Lord knows, I could use the practice. Shutting up, that is...

TO35    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:49:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Amen brother...I was raised to the old saying if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all....but I've had enough of this.....I better go cool off before i say something I'll regret...


Clipper...ROFL!!    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:47:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Nix on the shut up deal...some things need saying when yer dealing with....well ya know what I mean. :^)

BOSS    Posted 03-07-2004 at 15:55:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
THats not a waterpump problem. Most likely not a fuel pump problem either. Sounds like you just need a tuneup. Getting a tuneup would eliminate a bunch of "couldbe" problems.

I'm sure that would be all you need. new wires, cap, rotor, plugs, clean everything out, diagnostic analysis. you should be good to go.

Fern(Mi)    Posted 03-07-2004 at 15:52:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Stop by library. Take out or copy appropriate pages pertinet to your make? & model. Find hoe to check computer. My old truck has computer. A fe times as though in prayer, I kneel beside it its door open poking a wire into a computer ciciuit reciever. My truck's one I can use a paper clip and count the flashing idiot lights on the dash.
With the books codes and suggestions diagnosis should be easier. If your son can make guesses, perhaps he can handle a paperclip. Have is friend help count and cut the numbers in half. Kidding he he he.
But get the book first. Or, take the car to Mr goodwrench. I don't beleave GM dealer would jeprodize his reputation ripping you off. Not if he might think he could sell you a later model.
Mine are my ideas.
I'm a believer in books if for nothing more than the pictures. Somebody else may have better.
good luck!!!

Ron,ar    Posted 03-07-2004 at 15:47:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
This really gets me, that is excessive if all he did was change the water pump. I realize that includes replacing the coolant and maybe the belt and an enviormental charge as well as the pump itself, but it is too dang much.
As far as the current problem goes, it has been my experiance that fuel pumps nowadays either work or don't work. Most are in the gas tank too. It sounds a lot like an electronics problem. Most "drivability" problems are electrical in nature now days. Get the engine scanned somewhere you trust. Get a quote for that first.
I am not real familar with Buicks but there are some Fords that run the water pump off the timing belt. When the water pump goes out, the timing belt needs to either replaced or at least reset at the proper sequence. JMO

sTORM C haser    Posted 03-07-2004 at 15:46:58       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sounds like a big problem here city slicker. Wow years ago I had car trouble and I was stranded for seven weeks! You sound as though you can,t handle your problem and like its a big deal. What do you expect the cost to be?? shops have to charge alot for the laber and repair... Sounds to me like you need a new car. To be honest you need new plugs for sure and maybe even a new fuel pump,,,,,,,,,Just think if you lived under city lights, concreate, and traffic you would have more better shops to take it to.. By the way cars don,t cough my fellow lady

Dsl    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:32:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't go calling other people a 'city slicker' and berating them when YOU don't know the first thing about country courtesy and hospitality.

BTW: it's spelled 'concrete'; that's the second time I've seen you call someone a city slicker and then misspell that word in your completely unnecessary and insultive attack.

Dsl: 37 years old, born and raised on a farm, and disgusted with you.

Ron,ar    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:47:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks DSL, but he is a troll, best ignored. If his own car was down for seven weeks he is not too smart himself, in fact he probably should not own a car.:^)

TO35    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:53:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was thinking the same thing....just did'nt want to say it...then the upper post personal attack hit me...I've just plain had enough of that stuff...


Ron,ar    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:57:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
yeah, I know what you mean,some things hit close to home. BTW did you take the ASE school bus tests yet? I did that this past fall. I never knew there could be so many questions about a dang air ride seat.

TO35    Posted 03-07-2004 at 16:59:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yep...the whole test would suprize most bus tech.s
it only helps in the long run though.


ron,ar    Posted 03-07-2004 at 17:12:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had been fully certified in medium/heavy trucks since the early 90's, then the school bus certification came out. I can't get my guys to take the tests, not interested and they are not required by job description. The kicker is that the school board will fully reimburse all costs if you take them and pass. I'll be retiring in a few years and it won't matter but some of these guys are young and it really helps in their employment file folder.

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