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Replacing water well pump - how do I grab the hose
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John Keleshian    Posted 03-08-2004 at 05:21:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My pump died in my well. It is 500' down on one long continuous pvc pipe. The junction for the pipe is 4' down in the ground. How do I get ahold of it?

They said they'd charge $1500 to pull it out, replace the pump, and replace the pvc with 20' sections. They said it's easier to pull out a pump if the pvc is in 20' sections. With the 500' pipe they want us to have a truck fill it with water in order to pull it out.

Would you do it yourself? How do you get ahold of the pipe? Is 20' sections really better / neccessary?

Thanks!


bill b va    Posted 03-08-2004 at 09:47:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
you can make a rig to pull submerable pumps that are hung on poly pipe from an old motor cycle wheel and fork . no tire on the rim . fork is fitted to a clamp that goes around the well casing to secure it . designed so front of wheel is over well casing . need tee handle of apropiate size and length to screw into pitless adapter . pipe goes over wheel to vehicle to pull if desired . other wise grab the end and pull . i made my tee handle from a 5 ft piece of iron pipe threaded on both ends, a iron pipe tee and two short pieces of pipe threaded on one end.just screw them together and you have your pulling handle .most smaller residential water systems i have seen use 1 in. poly pipe and the top of the pitless adapter is threaded 1 in. for the tee handle .


bill b va ,,RE water well    Posted 03-08-2004 at 10:09:47       [Reply]  [No Email]


Willy-N    Posted 03-08-2004 at 06:53:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
My well is down 400 ft and I pull it by hand standing above it. My static water level is 19 ft in the well casing tho. This way most of the pipe is in water and does not weight that much. I have all plastic pipe continious length. It is schedual #160 poly 1 1/2" pipe too. I have a rope for taking a break in the process. The second person holds the rope going thru a pully but I do the lifting. If the water level was way down the well it would be a different story to lift it due to the weight of the water in the pipe! 100 ft of pipe out of the water is around 100+ pounds (plus the pump and what is in the water) and that would get old fast. The pitless adapter has a threaded hub at the top of it and you need to get a threaded section screwed into it to lift it out of the slip joint. I set up my pump this way because I wanted to maintain it not pay the high 800.00 to 1,500.00 they rip you off pulling it!! Mark H.


Mighty Heavy    Posted 03-08-2004 at 06:34:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with TB. I've pulled many of well pumps, and once you start....there are no breaks! I've bever seen a pump on PVC pipe before, is there a rope hooked to the pump also? That baby will be mighty heavy with 500' of water in the pipe too. I'll pull it for you 5 or 6 times for $1500. I would have liked to make that kind of money pulling pumps!!

RY


deadcarp    Posted 03-08-2004 at 08:33:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
First trick will be breaking the pitless adapter seals loose - try dumping a can of coke down the hole around the pipe to soften them, then let that work overnite. really :)
Then long as you don't let the pipe weight slam it, a good hefty pipe wrench makes a good brake. (if the pipe's light enough, another wrench might lift it the same way by jamming teeth) You set the wrench kinda loose for the size of pipe, the one guy lifts the pipe some while another clamps the wrench across it and the first guy lowers the pipe a hair so the side of the wrench can rest on the casing. always keep some (upwards) sideways lift on that wrench handle.

You can make a 1/4" steel plate ring on a log chain to snatch the pipe too - you need to cut an oversized oval hole in it that'll slip over the pipe unions), weld the chain toward one end of the oval hole then just get a bite by lifting the chain. again you're jamming the pipe but this way scars the pipe less & is more secure. Good luck! :)


Hal/WA    Posted 03-08-2004 at 17:47:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Something I would add about using a pipe wrench: I feel a lot safer if I have a stout lanyard on the pipe wrench, tied to something solid nearby. I almost lost a pipe wrench down a well casing once--caught it by the very end.

500 feet is a lot of depth. I didn't know that plastic pipe could be used at that kind of depth, and thought that only galvanized steel could handle the weight. 500 feet of 1.5 inch galvanized pipe would be a huge amount of weight and would require disassembly at each joint. I have handled lots of that kind of pipe and it is a real job....maybe worth having the professionals do it for me. Flexible plastic pipe is a lot easier to handle, but you will still have a great deal of weight to deal with, especially if the check valve on your existing pump is holding the water in the pipe.

I have used the raised front end loader on the tractor as a point to pull from. I have used a come-along to make the initial lift off the pitless adaptor and was then able to handle the weight of the pump and plastic piping fairly easily by hand. But I was dealing with much shallower wells and the weight would have been a small fraction of what you may be dealing with.

It is very possible to drop a pump down the well, which can lead to all sorts of problems that are not always easy to solve. I have heard of people having to destroy a brand new pump by working on the well with a drilling machine to get the pump out of the way. It is also very possible to hurt yourself if you don't know what you are doing and have poor luck. One of my neighbors lost months of work after he pulled his pump, it somehow slipped and he tried to grab the pipe and keep it from going down. It smashed his hand between the pipe and casing. After several surgeries and rehabilitation, his hand will never have much grip or feeling. And he had to call a professional to "fish" the pipe and new pump out of the well and finish the installation. And his well is only about 150 feet deep.

So if you do decide to pull your own pump, be careful. It may be "doable" by a homeowner, but is not an easy job by any means. I also would suggest having pleanty of help on hand. Good luck, and I mean it!


TB    Posted 03-08-2004 at 05:45:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you have a pitless well adaptor you should see a place in the top of it to threed a pipe into. Go and have a T handle made (welded)to fit that size helps you get started and if you slip you woun't loose it down the hole. If I could get about 6 or 8 10 guys to help yes i would try to pull it. Once you start 500 feet pipe full of water is a long heavy pull that you cant really stop it for a rest untill it is out I have helped pull 370 feet with 5 men and it wasn't easy.


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