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Shouldn't have read the news tonight
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Michael M    Posted 03-10-2004 at 20:21:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
It was nothing but bad, worse and disgusting. Kids getting kicked out of school for carrying pocket knives, even thought the kid didn't take it out or threaten anyone with it. I have carried a pocket knife since about 5, I have never used one to hurt anyone...
Two teenage boys molested a six year old girl that they were baby sitting, hurt her so bad she had to have emergency surgery. They ought to skip the legal system and just send them to therapy, high speed intracraneal lead therapy. Sick puppies. No cure.Put 'em down.
I know that such stuff happens, and I know it is news. I know such things probably happened when I was younger, and I either didn't hear about it or it didn't get reported. But it seems to me that people have gotten worse in my life time.Not everyone, but the bad seem to have gotten worse, and the good don't get heard about.
Reading things like tonight's news does nothing but reinforce my belief that living out here in the hills, as isolated as I could get, was the only way to protect myself and my family from the majority of diseased humanity that seem to be on the rise.
Maybe the ones I read about aren't the majority, but man, there sure does seem to be a lot more of the sick ones than there were thiry years ago.
Ah well, I guess I can solve the problem by denial. I ain't going to read the news no more, just the posts here. That way, in time, I might be abe to fool myself into believing that the world is made up of good, honest, hardworking people who use there heads.
Enough ranting from me tonight. I had a good day, got a good amount done. I should be happy I guess that there isn't anything wrong with me right now that a good hot bath and some quiet time with my wife won't fix. She doesn't read the news, and doesn't like it when I read it to her. Now I can understand why.


Melanie    Posted 03-11-2004 at 11:47:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Michael, you just gave the word-for-word exact same rant that I give about every two or three months, minus one or two hollers about kids being victimized in fiction. I'll stop reading the paper, watching the news, and clicking the links on the AP or whatever news site. But slowly it creeps back into my life- first the funnies, then the crossword, then the gossip, then the sports, then business, then blammo, I'm lured back into being poisoned by the ugliness of the world again.
Just bear in mind that to most media news sources the adage "If it bleeds, it leads" is a real guideline. Only the most copy-selling stories get the paper space. More good stuff is going on out there than we can imagine; it's just that the humongous corporations that own most media are a bunch of schmucks. (Can I say that here?)


deadcarp    Posted 03-11-2004 at 03:47:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well believe it or not i think things have gotten better and kids more tame. In the 40s/50s we attended a 1-room country school. Many of the routines we practiced would be considered ghastly by todays's standards. consider this: One (usually fresh outa college) teacher and about 30 students from grade 1-8. there were real critters in the woods and it was good to carry a means to scare them off so about half the kids brought 22s to school. they weren't allowed on school grounds so we'd stash them in nearby hollow trees. When fighting it was commonplace to kick your sister in the head or brother in the crotch. If you learned anything about s3x, it was from willing siblings or bored teachers. (or experimenting or peeking. We all had stories.) If somebody got pregnant, she was expelled and hustled off to duluth to live with nuns til the adoption, she was considered that dirty and shameful. Honestly, only about half the kids could speak english when they started but we had to learn fast cuz the teachers used it. So we learned. It was kinda hard not to - by the time we got there, we'd already heard the 8th grade lessons for 7 years. now take a deep breath and try that in today's schools. :)



Jet9N    Posted 03-11-2004 at 08:05:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
It was a little tamer where I went to school, but you
did bring back a lot of memories. In the 50's a
neighbor of mine commented "you know what they
called juvenile delinquency when I was a kid?".
GROWING UP! LOL This was when the term was first
put into common use. Things seemed to be much
better when any adult could put a brat into his
place without worrying about getting sued. It is
really sad when either you can do nothing or the
alternative is the kid ends up in court, no middle
ground.

This is progress????

JMHO

Jet


Bob/Ont    Posted 03-10-2004 at 20:40:33       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Good plan Michael, news papers are having a tough time selling and they load them up with that stuff to help sell and cater to the special interest groups too. Most of the news is destorted rubbish anyway. There was one good story out today though. The one about your new Million Dollar Bills going round in Jawga. The people making up Redneck jokes will have a hard time topping that bit of reallity.
Later Bob


Katrina    Posted 03-10-2004 at 20:29:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is very very sad. We also moved out in the country where hopefully the kids won't be bombarded daily with bad stuff. We have children that are enjoying their childhood and that's all we ask for. Time with family, learning about animals and nature, and growing up on their schedule. Some day they will need to face the strange things in life but hopefully they will be more mature and be able to understand and decide for themselves what is right. By the way, thanks for the info on timberframing. Okay if I keep your email address for future questions?


Michael M    Posted 03-11-2004 at 03:26:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi Katrina, sure, keep it. Here it is again, just in case. michaelm@rnetinc.net


Pitch    Posted 03-11-2004 at 02:38:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't really think that life is that much different today than it was years ago. Today with instant communications and national reporting you just hear more about these terrible things so it seems that this stuff is more common. What is considered normal in society has also changed. Remember 200 years ago it was perfectly normal for a 13 or 14 year old girl to marry a much older established man, this assured her a stable life and insured him many children to do the farm work. When the old man died a younger man would often marry the widow and so gain the land for himself and she would be taken care of in her old age. In an age of remote settlements when 15 miles was a full days travel and no developed transportation system existed some level of incest was unavoidable at some point and was considered normal. Folks lived together in "sin" for years sometimes before the circuit preacher got to their town and would perform a mass wedding to legitimize all the folks who had taken up house keeping. Justice and the perversion of justice was swift and silent and taken care of by the immediate community altho most of it was for property crime, sins of the flesh were considered human frailities and often ignored, most times the perpetraters were just shunned or in the most heinous cases were banished from the community. Our nations folktales and legends are rife with drunkards and scaliwags. Human nature is human nature and has'nt really changed any from bibical times. So stop and think are things really worse now or are you just much more aware of things happening around us?


Alias    Posted 03-11-2004 at 04:06:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry Pitch, I can't buy into the idea that things weren't any better, just less publicised. Of course, there has always been violence, r@pe and murder. But, if I had a wish for everyone it would be that they'd all get to experience 1949 all over again.

Now, here's a test for all you older men and women. Think of all the words that are used today that was not used then. Words such as "Drive by Shooting", "Shooting Up", "Crack Cocaine" and the like. There's probably hundreds more that point to
the ongoing decay in society.

I'm 66 and I've witnessed a world of change. But, at least I have something good to compare to. For, when I was a kid, I could go anywhere, day or night with out fear of being molested........gfp


Pitch    Posted 03-11-2004 at 06:29:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Alias, I still stand by my publiscised statement. Remember in 1949 minorities weren't even on the radar screen of most whites. What when on on the other side of the tracks didn't matter. In the happy go lucky 50's started one of the largest heroin epidemics this country has ever seen. WW2 vets hooked on morphine from the battlefields. In those days there was no help and the addict just disappeared into the underbelly of society. The middle class started to get addicted to drugs provided by the good ole family doctor. The gangs weren't black on Latino or on black like today but were Italian on Irish or just bored youth or disenfranchised veterans albeit not as organized as the gangs of today. I too led a carefree childhood in the 60's and my children pretty much do so today. I do watch mine a bit closer but that is from a sense of heightened awarness more than real danger. The years immediatly following WW2 were an era of prosperity and well being for this nation and things that weren't positve were hidden and given a low profile in the news. Ignorance was bliss and the media had a sense of responsibility and tended to play to the communities standard of decency. Nowadays the SOP is if you can't get a picture of the body get a shot of the blood. I don't know if you have noticed but especially since 9/11 everything is sensationilized,even the weather channel does this. No longer do we have a snow storm but we are hammered or paralized. Big and bloody sells.


Alias    Posted 03-11-2004 at 07:56:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Pitch, I don't wish to minimize the effect of the wrongs and social ills of past generations. What I can compare to is the things I've witnessed in my life time. and I can assure you, that some things are changing for the better. But, whenever I hear about the aduction, rape and murder of kids, and the number of reported missing or lost children, I can look back and truthfully say that the occurance of frequency is perhaps a thousand time greater than it was when I was a boy. And, to me that is definately not better. Remember, there were no laws on kidnapping to speak of prior to the Charles Lindberg Case. Now, that's not to say kids weren't kidnapped then but the rate of occurance was nothing compared to now. But, you don't have to take my word for it, I'm sure there are records which will provide the number of incidences when a child was reported as kidnapped or missing.

Now, we're not talking about right and wrong as it applies to social matters. For, certainly, there was a great injustice imposed on people of color; the poor and disinfranchised; the slave labor of children that worked in the mines and sweatshops in the clothing districts of NY.
All of these thing were herindous. But, try to look at the issues you raised on a per capita basis. In other words, look at the number of drug addicts in 1950 as compared to today and see if the increase has kept an equal or greater pace with the rise in population. Then make the same comparison on Single parent homes; unwed mothers; murder; rape; robberies; serial killers; And any other issue before us today.

But, don't tell me that people who made it their business to report crime didn't sensationalize the events of the day. I've seen pictures taken of people at Ft. Smith, Arkansas who travelled there to see one of The multiple hanging that occured during the eighteen eighties. People would travel for days and camp in and under their wagons to witness the event. So, now, try to get this. There weren't an army of little birds sent out to notify the folks by whistling in the bushes that there's going to be a hanging. No sir, that event was carried on the wires and in the newspapers. And, then, reporters were as intent on getting a scoop as they are today. The only difference is that they were less likely to embellish the facts with a lot of hype.

So, when ever I hear some say that things aren't any worse now than when I was a boy, I can tell them that they don't see thing as they really are.

Now, I hope you understand this is not a debate. You have your opinions and I have mine. But, never would I consider it as a personal matter. Therefore, please know that I meant no offense.......gfp


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