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Lost Calf
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Anthony    Posted 03-11-2004 at 16:26:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
??? when do you know when to pull the calf lost mine last first time angus her first calf too.The small bag came out about 6.00 pm she was in the pen she was eatting still no labor tried a bit an hour latter & she would let the small bag go out then back in?? So I waited a few hours worked on the hay bailer. came out out ten was about the size of a grapefruit ,I said by give her 1 more hour came out the I could see the calf feet & tonge new too late!! pull it with a comalong out. Please advise me whats a good tried method!


cowlady    Posted 03-12-2004 at 07:19:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Anthony, I too am sorry for your loss.

We have found when clearing the breathing passage of the calf, if we also use a little piece of hay or straw, stick it in the nostril and tickle...the calf will sneeze or cough, and that will bring up the mucous. A rescuitation effort by blowing in, may actually force the mucous into the lungs, which you don't want to happen.

The only other thing, sometimes with a hard pull, the cow (usually a heifer) won't discharge all of the placenta. If that happens the vet can give her a shot which will "abort", and clean her out. If you leave it in (or up to nature) She becomes susceptible to infection, or you will have a hard time breeding her back.

Please don't get discouraged. The most helpful thing we have learned, is to keep the pregnant cows on the lean side. The fatter (corn fed) they are the more problems you will have. Fat deposits around the uterus causing birthing difficulties, and in the udder making nursing difficult. Nutritious hay and free choice mineral work out fine.


Fern(Mi)    Posted 03-11-2004 at 17:04:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
You win some and loose some. Been at it for yrs & and going by instinct. And, in hind sight you could have done something different. Yeah, what?

Our buying new breeding stock we purchase proven cows with a look at her last calf.

We have enough trouble with first time hiefers ,with out buying trouble.

If ya want some hind sight lets go back and look?
First a hiefer or cow can experience false labor. I imagine its common amongst mammals. then its another day or so. You said she had a bag showing. Was she dialating? I think it with another hr passing you could have called a large animal yet. Ask him whatto do? I he might be able to have talked you through the birthing or aat least had you relay to him her signs. The least this move will have done was alert the vet you may have a problem. Next, if a couple/three hrs had passed, has the hiefer dialated enough to put your hand in, you could have felt around, how close to the canal was the calfs head and feet. Real close or one foot showing link on the first chain, up above the spurs. then do the other leg. Hold these chains down towards the ground if she standing, towards an imaginary ground if she's down. Now check for nose if its up good if it down ya have to find it. Same with a leg. I've had to reach in and find it unfold and bring it to the top. When all's well pull, and pull down towards the hiefers knees. When the calf is half way out and stalls, give the calf a twist. This is almost like un-winding it. This helps force the continued slid. When the calf hits the ground, quickly clear all breathing passages, remove chains, pull calf under mothers nose so they'll bond. A cow put through an ordeal may reject a calf.

I've got to trint this. Getting old. Forgot where I'm at. heck of a thing to admit. somebody's probaly waiting to tell me?


Fern(Mi)    Posted 03-11-2004 at 17:14:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good advice from TO. 3hrs could be bit long. Lucily I'm playing with Shorthorns.

Note: this is important if you have not already done so. Find yourself a LARGE ANIMAL vet. Romantic kids coming out of vet school only want to cater to dogs & cats. Some might take on Horses. Few want anything to do with cattle. Blessed you will be when you find a vet who's had enough of horses.

Don't be hard on yourself. She'll probably be alright next yr, You never said her age. How old was she?


jf    Posted 03-11-2004 at 17:00:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
as soon as the placenta or water sack breaks one should begin procedures for pulling calf. If not the calf will suffocate due to their supply of oxygen from mother ceases at that time. It is generally a good idea to reneder assistance within one hour of appearance of placenta. Each cow is different though and one should monitor the signs of birth. Contractions, breathing rate of mother, water breakage, placenta showing, knocking at sides by mother, etc. It is sometimes a roll of the dice.


Fern(Mi)    Posted 03-11-2004 at 17:15:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Amen


TO35    Posted 03-11-2004 at 16:43:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Anthony, Its not going to be easy, if this is your first pull, you will need help...best way is you have to reach in and tie around head or legs which ever you can get to easiest...she needs to be down on her side...try for the head....then sit down behind and hand pull...if this don't work you'll have to try the come along
and have help holding her down.... might help to tie her front legs together..also reach in and move calf around while pulling to help it out
sorry for you loss...


TO


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