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Trees hung up in woods
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Dave M    Posted 02-04-2002 at 07:12:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
We had an ice storm followed by high winds. I now have several trees in my woods that want to come down, but are hung up on other trees. They are maybe 16"-24" at breast height, and at least one is hollow. My wife and I like to take our dogs in the woods, but I have safety concerns with these hung-up trees. Last time I had this problem I wouldn't let anybody go in the woods for 6 months until the tree in question finally came down. I would prefer a quicker solution.

How can I safely get these trees down? I would rather not call a pro if I can avoid it. If I could cut them about 15' up from 15'-25' back I would feel safe.

So far I am considering getting one of those pole-mounted chainsaws and putting it on a tall boom pole hooked to the 3-point hitch of my tractor (no FEL), but would welcome other ideas.


Ira    Posted 02-05-2002 at 11:33:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Are there any loggers in your area?You might be able to get one to clean the trees up for what ever logs they could salvage.


John    Posted 02-05-2002 at 09:28:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is potentially a very dangerous situation and there is no way I or anybody can give you great advise without being there. I say leave it or hire someone to clear it . I dont think the risk is worth it .


Spence    Posted 02-05-2002 at 09:26:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a 1 1/4in X 150FT hydro poly rope that I hook to my tractor to pull out the logs whenever I do my spring firewood collection. Any good size rope will do. (Actually if someone got three of good size and length it would make a good winter project to braid them to make a hefty puller.)

I put the tractor in the clearing and weed my way in to tie it on. I feel it's the safest way
then they can be chopped up. But that's for the firewood trees. I always keep an eye out for the money makers. The rare cabinet trees like butternut and walnut for lumber.


John Ne.    Posted 02-04-2002 at 21:35:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've run a chainsaw every winter for 35years, once a leaner started acting funny, dropped the saw and ran, just as wife was bringing out lunch, she asked why I was doing the broad jump practice in the trees. whew. same winter neighbor that sells firewood dropped one on hisself. one cannot get too complacent. john in Ne.


hermin the goose    Posted 02-04-2002 at 17:21:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dave
goodness where do i start- havin a bit of loggin+sawmill ex. i only ask no on the pole saw,
have made my share of mistakes- i have scars to remind me. snags are very hard to judge at times- skill+ proper tools are a great help.pulling them down is the safest way- big winch--big 40000 lbs is a nice size.
the forestryforum is a wonderful site, much knowledge.
you could cut the snags out- i do not like to- makes me think i am dead just do not know it yet.
without seeing it is hard to advise - can only think the worst. hollow trees, trees that dozy inside, trees full of shake, spring poles, snags- are can be hard to handle. safety eq. is a wonderful thing- good saw all the way to the funny footware, helps if you have a mistake.
be safe
ron



geo in Mi    Posted 02-04-2002 at 15:16:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
How about a come along attached to a long cable, pulled from the side? Doing it inch by inch and pulling it sideways will allow you to control it from a safe distance and the lateral movement as the tree falls won't jerk the cable too far that you can't get away from it. Still, plan your escape route and protect yourself from backlash if the cable gets away. Also, don't do it alone--get a safety backup, and maybe even a cell phone to call 911.............


Les...fortunate    Posted 02-04-2002 at 11:56:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Those are called "widowmakers" for a reason.


Jeff    Posted 02-04-2002 at 11:10:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dave,
if you are continually having problems with trees breaking off, maybe its time to get a forester in there and take a look. Could be your woodlot needs some management to promote healthier growth. Heck, you might even end up having a timber management cut where you can get the pros to take care of those hung trees for you. There are many foresters hanging out at the Forestry Forum (as mentioned in another reply) that would be glad to answer any of your questions.


tomatolord    Posted 02-04-2002 at 09:44:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Why use a tractor??

I use a winch to do the same thing??

That way you can stay back and it comes down slowly

But i usually cut it off and at or near the base and then pull from the base either back toward you is the safest way I found



Salmoneye    Posted 02-04-2002 at 09:18:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The Key to what you said here is...

"How can I safely get these trees down?"

The answer is...You Can't...it is all a crap shoot on a 'hanger'.
Walts way down below is one that I do all the time, but I do not recommend it for ANYONE.
If you did not grow up doing this stuff, I HIGHLY recommend you bite the bullet and pay a professional that has lots of insurance.

As for..."If I could cut them about 15' up from 15'-25' back I would feel safe"...you are fooling yourself even worse. Cutting like that will send the remaining trunk towards the tree that the 'hanger' is hung on and then the top will come right back at the stump where it grew...trust me on this...I may not be explaining it very well, but I have seen it more than once.

If you feel you MUST do this yourself, try Walts way, but make sure you are pulling from the LOWEST possible point on the tractor (NOT the three point hitch, but UNDER the axle...NOT around the axle)...Hook the chain as LOW on the tree as possible...ease into the pull at high throttle slipping the clutch...do NOT jerk it and if the front end starts getting light QUIT!!!
One thing worse than pulling a tree on ya with a tractor is when the tractor comes over backwards on top of ya!!!

Sorry for the yelling, but I feel strongly on this stuff...it is NOT for everyone.
Oh yeah...And PLEASE do not tell my Wife I do this stupid stuff...she thinks I am so safe and sensible...



Randy    Posted 02-05-2002 at 17:40:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Not to be a wise guy but if you are not sure or comftable then get some one who is. I cut trees all the time. In the loggen biz they call what you got there a widow maker, & for good reason. I say get somone to get them down for safty sake. I am not pulling you leg that is what they call what you got there. So get some help. God blees The U.S.A


bob    Posted 02-04-2002 at 17:12:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
salomeye you said a mouth full of truth if you hook high they can switch directions real fast think about this real strong before taking the plunge good luck


Salmoneye--Les Said It Better...    Posted 02-04-2002 at 17:47:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
And much more succinctly...
And, IMHO, he knows his stuff when it comes to trees...

I Quote:

"Those are called "widowmakers" for a reason."...



Rod (NH)    Posted 02-04-2002 at 09:01:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If you are not experienced in this type of problem, I would recommend you have a pro (with insurance) handle it. Hung trees, particularly large ones like you mention, can be extremely dangerous to deal with...even for professional loggers. You might want to take a look at the following "hung tree" discussion in the "chainsaw" section of the forestry forum.

Rod


Walt    Posted 02-04-2002 at 08:53:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If you have a tractor, connect it to the butt end of the tree with a chain, if roots are still connected and you don't have enough HP, cut the tree off, about 1/2 way through, drive a spike in the cut to keep it from pinching the saw, after you have it loose, pull it out with the tractor, if you don't have a tractor, you can use a four wheel drive vehicle in low range, if you don't have something to pull it with, you will need help from someone else to get it down. Good luck.


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