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I Won't Preach To The Choir But...
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Greg    Posted 03-28-2004 at 03:39:47       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I'm sure many of you feel the same as I do about the destruction of small rural communities by greedy landowners and even greedier developers, so I'll try not to go there.

So it's finally happening in a big way here in the small farming community where I live in southern Nevada. The all too familiar houses with the classic red tiled roofs and stacked on top of each other are popping-up everywhere. The land is being chopped-up and housing developments are being built. As I see it the quality of life we've enjoyed for years is now on a rapid decline. I realize there's no way to stop it entirely, but I sure would like to ban together with the many like-minded people there are here and see if we can slow it down before we lose it all to a sea of houses. Do any of you have any idea on where I could go to research possible solutions? We are not an incorporated city, but a township governed by the county. The nearest city, (Las Vegas), is 60 miles away. Any thoughts you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thank You in advance.


Maggie/TX    Posted 03-28-2004 at 09:23:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Greg, I think I understand your concern. Our county is also being attacked by a developer who is so greedy and unscrupulous (sp?) that he is putting in subdivisions in the county that have poor roads, are screwing up the drainage like you would not believe, and he's selling the property at unbelievably inflated prices to idiots moving out of cities and don't know any better than to pay his price and it's driving up the land value, and as a consequence, the taxes of everyone around here. He reminds me of a shark. At least YOUR developer/s are putting in houses, this guy is putting in a bunch of glorified trailer courts.

The only thing that we have found to deal with this is to form a Concerned Citizen's Committee to study the problem and help come up with suggestions for a solution to present to the County Commissioners. Go to your County Commissioners Court meetings. They are open to the public. Petition your local county government to research ideas to combat "Urban Sprawl." You can research this online. Google is your friend. The nearest city to us has a city council who has finally realized the problem (although a little late) and is annexing narrow strips along all incoming major roads to the city, as their extra territorial jurisdiction will apply to these new developments and at least impose standards on new development, ie, drainage and road quality.

And Greg, if you are serious about addressing this problem, lemme tell you - you're in for a long hard job and you WILL need to band together with a group of like minded citizens in your area. Good luck. :)

FINALLY!    Posted 03-28-2004 at 09:32:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Someone who answered the question I asked in my original post. Thank you Maggie for giving me the direction I was asking for.


KellyGa    Posted 03-28-2004 at 06:32:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Its okay Greg, I know how ya feel, and you feel powerless to do anything about it, and we are, unfortunately. Money is the bottom line. I have watched Henry County go from so rural you couldn't see your hand in front of your face at night, to what it is now. It spreads, like a disease. All you can do is buy as much land as you can, and set yourself down in the middle of it. Thats what I am planning to do. Make your own slice of heaven.

Greg - My Apologies To Al    Posted 03-28-2004 at 06:28:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My Apologies To All.

I was only hoping to hear from people who have experienced similar circumstances in other areas, what if anything was done about it, and where I could go to research it. Growth is inevitable, I understand that. I guess what I'm seeking is "controlled and responsible growth" so that all of us can live in peace and harmony without affecting each others lifestyles.

What I was not trying to do was to initiate a verbal altercation with anyone, or to match wits with them. I'm sorry if all of you feel I was. If any of you would like to bite my head off for feeling as I do please lets keep it off the forum. My personal email address is above.


Like I said...    Posted 03-28-2004 at 06:47:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not that I don't understand your sentiments...I have seen the town where I grew up (and my mother was born) go from a sleepy little dairy farming community, to the bustling 'bedroom community' for the rich and beautiful, that it is today...If I had know 12 years ago that the land across the road was for sale I would have done what I could to buy it...First I knew was when the road went in for the ten houses...My property taxes have more than tripled in 10 years...The schools are a model of liberal education...We even have a traffic light now...

I have been offered more than 3 times what I paid for the place in '87...I'm holding out for 5 times what I paid...Then I can have MY 100 acres in the middle of nowhere and do what I want...

Salmoneye, A Man, A Plan, A Canal, Panama...

(read that last part backwards)

Clipper    Posted 03-28-2004 at 06:55:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
I got a Saloon wit 125 the middle of nowhere....course ya gotta take a beer guzzling-peeing in the elevator,two-step dancing crazy horse with the deal.Lemme know if yer innerested..... :^)

I'll even throw in a fresh painted pink Caddy and a couple of homeless cowboys inta the pot...

Keep the Caddy...    Posted 03-28-2004 at 07:01:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
But the Wife is interested in the cowboys and the Girl is hepped up on the idea of that horse...

Any Maple Trees?


DD    Posted 03-28-2004 at 06:36:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's ok Greg, we understand. Sometimes we all just need to blow off a lil steam : ) And nobody here is so shallow as to get that mad about sumthin said here. That's what these forums are for anyway : ) Take Care and I hope it all works out for ya!

JF    Posted 03-28-2004 at 06:19:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Trade those chickens in for some hogs and they wont the land next to

steve19438    Posted 03-28-2004 at 05:34:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i understand how your feel, as the same thing happened in my area over the past 40 yrs. but you gotta remember one thing; someone, somewhere probably said the same thing about you when you built/bought your place.

hay    Posted 03-28-2004 at 05:30:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
no place on this earth that is considered habitable is untouched by human invasion now. we all have to just make the best of things and try to get along with one another. i do not like the invasion of subdivisions either, but there is little or nothing that can be done about it. you could keep moving around to try to find a quiet rural place, but they are getting mighty hard to find.

Salmoneye    Posted 03-28-2004 at 04:36:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you do not own the land, there is not much you can do...

We still live in the USA...The way you use 'greedy landowners' says alot about the way you think about the legal posessions of other people...

There's the man...!    Posted 03-28-2004 at 05:32:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know who's been more scarce around here lately, you or me. I think it's you.


Greg    Posted 03-28-2004 at 05:20:28       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well Mr. Salmoneye I guess I should've been clearer about my concerns. Frankly I could give a s$%t less about what someone else does with their property as long as it doesn't affect the quality of life for others. The reason we bought out in the country was to escape the city and enjoy having animals, huge gardens, the view, and the peace and quiet that the country provides. We "Did Not" buy our property to "Change The Lifestyle" of those who already lived here, nor did we buy to see how much money we could make at a later date. With all the development going on I can forsee increased crime, pollution (noise and air), traffic lights installed, the people with horses-cows-chickens-etc. being driven out, water shortages and rationing (there goes the gardens), and on and on. So now tell me Mr. Salmoneye where do their rights end and mine begin? If their right to do what they wish with their property by clustering homes all over it affects and changes what I wish to do with my property then I guess I have no rights do I?

All I was asking for in my original post were some thoughts on how and where to do research into ways of possibly curbing some of this growth so possibly myself and the many others like me may hold on to our rights.

And Yes...certainly all the developers and some of the landowners "Are Greedy," and have no concern whatsoever of the damage their greed causes to a lifestyle many-many people enjoy and would like to continue. The proverbial "almighty dollar" is the most important thing in their lives.


Salmoneye    Posted 03-28-2004 at 05:55:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
I see you have issues...

Issues with what other people do with what they own...Issues about not being able to control other people...Issues about capitalism itself...Issues with being polite...Issues about many things...

While I may agree with your sentimnets on the effect that 'progress' has on me and mine, I am also sane enough to know that change is a given...

As to your question of "where do their rights end and mine begin"...The answer is at your property line...

Your statement of "We "Did Not" buy our property to "Change The Lifestyle" of those who already lived here"...And you think that moving there didn't affect those that were there before YOU?...Weren't you just ahead of the curve in moving there and now you are PO'ed at yourself for not researching the inevitable growth of that area?...

You are a good laugh for a quiet Sunday morning...

Ret    Posted 03-28-2004 at 08:36:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
the county I live in and those around it are facing the same things as written here. As one of the fastest growing areas in the US, growth has destroyed the quality of life as it was known here. Developers come in and promise green parks and tree filled streets with nature all around. It doesn't happen. Traffic is of course the first thing that everyone is affected by. there is a huge fight going on in Stafford county right now over developers and landowners rights versus the right of the county to control space. The county I live in, Spotsylvania, is facing the same thing. The idea that your rights stop at the property line, is open to question. When the rights of citizens living in an area are threatened by increased traffic, crowded schools, higher taxes, and having the general quality of life diminished , their rights ought to go further than their doorstep. The issue here is quality of life, and how each one of us define it

Salmoneye    Posted 03-28-2004 at 09:11:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
You have the right to stand up and fight...You also have to remember that the people you are trying to make do what you want them to with what they legally own have the same right...

"Good fences make good neighbors."

REt    Posted 03-28-2004 at 11:39:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
basically boils down to the rights of a community to keep its way of life if it can be described as that. You have been saying that as your rights stop at your property, what goes in next door is none of your business. The good of the community has to be considered, hence zoning laws and such. Greg is not a lone voice out there, it is just a hard thing to slow down

DD    Posted 03-28-2004 at 05:47:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Whoa there Greg, I don't think Salmoneye was tryin to sound grouchy or anything and you've went and snapped his head off. I think all we're saying is that the only way you're going to not have neighbors building around you is to buy a mountain, the WHOLE mountain, and keep it all to yourself. Otherwise other folks have just as much right to want to live out in the country as you do. Just because some of us are still caught up in the city for the time being doesn't mean we don't WANT to live out in the country. I'm NOT trying to start an argument here but my original thought on buying up the land around you is the only way I can see of you being assured of not having any close neighbors. JMHO : )

Thanks DD...    Posted 03-28-2004 at 05:56:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
I understand he is upset...I also understand that he is not mad at what he thinks he is mad at...


Cindi    Posted 03-28-2004 at 07:33:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Greg, Salmoneye is not unfeeling, Salmoneye is direct. He said the same thing most of the rest of us said, only in one sentence. ease up.

I know how you feel as well, but the truth remains that you can't tell other folks what to do with their own property. Unless you're the government. I still hold with the toxic waste solution (smile)

DD    Posted 03-28-2004 at 06:05:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
True, but ya still don't go snappin at folks like that. Least I wasn't brought up that way ; ) He came here to a public board askin for advice/ opinions....when ya do that you take a chance on being told something you don't wanna hear sometimes : ) If we all thought and felt the same way this world would be such a boring place ; )

DD    Posted 03-28-2004 at 03:42:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Buy up all the land yourselves?

Greg    Posted 03-28-2004 at 04:01:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I only wish I/we had that kind of money. Besides, from what I understand there's quite a long waiting list of people wanting to buy property.


ret    Posted 03-28-2004 at 04:41:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Same in any area where there are places for people to work. does make you wonder where all the buyers are coming from, but guess with immigration and a population boom there are a lot of people leaving the crowded areas and with interest rates so low ,are buying homes. I hate it when I see the townhouses going up , one group after another. And, due to our greed, or capitalism you can call it, money begats money. Today large colomorates can buy tracts of land at a price that freezes out an individual and have large scale builders build homes very quickly. Then on to another site. Keeps repeating itself only faster. If the demand wasn't there, it would not be going on. Of course,this has been going on for years, look at the wealther farmer who bought another one to get richer. Sometimes then, another, and etc. All in the name of our right to get ahead. Going to have to live with it I am thinking.

DD    Posted 03-28-2004 at 04:12:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ditto on the money part and add me to that list too. Houses are so close around here if ya wake up in the middle of the nite and go to pee the neighbors hear your toilet flushing. SAD!

Greg    Posted 03-28-2004 at 04:18:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
"Houses are so close around here if ya wake up in the middle of the nite and go to pee the neighbors hear your toilet flushing. SAD!"

And DD that's probably Not All that they hear either. And for me/us it's beyond sad. My wife and I can't afford to move, and besides I don't give-up and run that easy.

Cindi    Posted 03-28-2004 at 04:34:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm afarid that if you can't own the land you really can't control what happens to it, unless you start a nasty rumor about toxic waste dump sites.....(grin)Let fly about a calf born with three heads and watch them scatter.

DD    Posted 03-28-2004 at 04:39:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
OOOooooOOO, I like that Cindi! LOL!

Cindi    Posted 03-28-2004 at 05:30:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
If they have even the remotest inkling that something might be wrong with the wwater...pffft...they disappear. Course then you have to deal with a nasty developer and possible law suit.

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