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F14    Posted 02-08-2001 at 18:32:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
making their own cider? I have a really nice neighbor lady who gave me an old cider press. The steel/cast iron parts are all in good shape. The basket was shot, but a couple of the staves were in good enough shape to get some measurements, and I've rebuilt that.

My problem is, the 'disc' (for lack of a better term) that the screw jack presses to squeeze the pomace is missing. Also, the threads on the screw jack stop about even with the top of the basket. I can see how the disc would have to be, and can make one out of wood that should be rugged enough. But, I don't have the first clue as to what, if anything, goes between the hub of the screw jack and the top of the disc.

I'll take a picture of what I have tomorrow and post it. Any leads, hints, ideas and or suggestions as to what is missing would be a big help. I got a couple of great apple trees, and would sure like to make a coupla gallons of cider next fall.


MikeH-Tx here ya go    Posted 02-10-2001 at 09:36:54       [Reply]  [No Email]

BFO is right, it looks a lot like a wine press.

Here is a little wine press I have, apart to show how it works.



F14...Thanks, Mike    Posted 02-10-2001 at 13:41:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
That's about what I figured the 'presser' had to look like. Of course, I'll have to have a hole in the center of mine so it fits down over the screw, but other than that, it's about the same.

The more I think about it, the less sense mine makes, as I'll have to arrange the pomace bag(s) around the center shaft. An H-frame makes a lot better deal, but hey, it was free...


BFO    Posted 02-09-2001 at 14:24:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey, since that looks an awful lot like a grape press, I can probably point you in the right direction. The top piece is actually two halves with a hole in the center to clear the screw shaft. This should be some heavy oak (1 1/2"). Then cut yourself a whole lot of 1 1/2" square, or 2" square blocks out of oak to use when ever you reach the limit of the screw. You'll need to cut yourself a steel washer to distribute the load over the blocks. Just keep adding blocks until no more juice comes out. I gave a friend of mine some grapes one year (I thought my part was done) but got suckered into helping him with his press.


F14    Posted 02-10-2001 at 03:42:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
That makes sense, BFO, thanks!


Tyler(WA)    Posted 02-09-2001 at 09:31:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
How about using a length of pipe on the threaded shaft to effectively lower the ram to the top of the bucket? You could make the 'disk' to sit on the mash and then the pipe would push it on down as you screwed down the ram on the threaded shaft.

Kinda like they limit the travel of hyd. rams by using a steel pipe as a spacer.

Hmmmmmm.... a hydraulic cider press. Might just have something there.


F14    Posted 02-09-2001 at 12:49:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
The pipe is certainly a workable solution. Mostly, I curious about how it was originally. See Larry8N's comments below, he brings up some awful good points.


chief613    Posted 02-09-2001 at 02:53:43       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Aint quite sure of what ur really askin, but lookin at the pic it looks like the threaded disk needs to be mounted. what i have see there is , for better term, a handle like on a bucket over the top of the press. It would have to be rugged one that when the press is screwed down it doesnt just force the basket and top apart. If this sounds like what ur lookin for i could give ya a little hen scratchin of what i mean, not that i really know what im talkin about lol


oldfrmr    Posted 02-09-2001 at 06:40:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yep u r rite. Friend of mine has one, Similar to what i remember as printing press, H type frame w/ wood floor with a drain on 1 side, set slotted bucket in w/ ground apples, put wood (lid) on grindings and run screw down squeezing juice from apples. That ought to be really confusing!


F14...Yup    Posted 02-09-2001 at 07:00:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
That pretty much describes mine. The problem is, the screw on the jack doesn't go down far enough to do any good, as far as I can see. Must be some sort of 'extension' on top of the press plate, something like an upside-down "T" with the leg of the "T" being hollow so it slide down over the screw post.

Are ya REAL confused now?


chief613    Posted 02-10-2001 at 03:19:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
are ya sayin that the threaded shaft aint long enough? could it be that it was broken at some time or another? Or maybe it aint made to go all the way to the bottom, wouldnt have to, after it was filled with crushed apples. I have also seen one, long time ago, that had a grinder on top, the press was removed and the grinder took its place, then the press put back on


Laary 8N75381    Posted 02-09-2001 at 10:26:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I don't like what I see!! That is, the screw running down thru the middle of the basket. The ONLY thing that should be inside the basket is a cheese cloth bag full of cut up apples. The bag of apples are then squeezed between the stationary bottom and the "plug" (for lack of a better word) that is pushed into the basket by the screw. The cheese cloth "holds" the pulp in, yet allows the juice to run out. The basket supports the cheese cloth from the pressure - unless the gaps are too large and the cloth cannot hold the load across the gap.

The screw should be mounted to a cross piece such that the screw end is above the basket high enough for the basket, bag and "plug" to be slid under the screw. That would look like the "H" oldfmr refered to.

Is it possible someone "modified" the press and fastened the screw into the bottom?!? Should NOT be there! Is it possible that the screw and the "ratchet" are upside down?!?

Country neighbor of mine has a big orchard. A few years ago he got a used commercial hydraulic press. He loads up his press in layers. A layer is a sheet of cheese cloth laid over a frame. Ground up apples are poured into the frame on top of the cloth. when "full" the edges of the cheese cloth are folded over the apples and a wood lattice like piece is placed on top. The another frame and piece of cloth is laid on top. This and all succeding layers are made up just like the first. On top of the final layer is a BIG plate that the hyrdaulic ram presses against.

The juice ONLY comes in to contact with cheese cloth, wood, and stainless steel - the collection tray and tank. ALL these things HAVE to be thoroughly cleaned after each "sweet" cider run.
That is why the screw on yours upsets me. It will be hard to clean, besides, you should have grease on the threads which could drip into your apples. YUCK! :-)

Regards,
Larry


F14...Good points    Posted 02-09-2001 at 12:48:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Basically, I don't have a clue. This is what was given to me, and it shows no signs of having been modified.

Perhaps it's not what I think it is? The bottom pan that the basket sits on has a gutter and a spout, so I assumed it was a juice press.

Maybe it could have something to do with cheese?


John-Paul (Finland)    Posted 02-09-2001 at 02:03:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
I made a small quantity of cider a couple of years back.

There is a facility near where I live that is open during the summer and autumn where one can take ones own berries and fruits to be pressed and even pasteurised if required. I took a small trailer load of windfall apples to be pressed and got a reasonable amount of juice - about 40 gallons as far as I remember. I made the cider by simply adding yeast and waiting. The result was pretty much what I expected - a virtually undrinkable acidic liquid with gutinous 'mystery floaters' growing in it...
I think by now I have many litres of cider vinegar that I should find a use for!

I don't want to put you off though!

The link is just about the best cider resource I was able to find - I hope it helps!
J-P


IHank    Posted 02-08-2001 at 23:44:44       [Reply]  [Send Email]
All- Careful about what you say here! "Big Brother", as in BATF, is probably listening in!

Please check out the link below, for some ideas about how to move on openly with this. IHank


F14    Posted 02-09-2001 at 04:44:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Talking about sweet cider here, IHank. I'm a recovering alcoholic, don't do the hard stuff.

Had a neighbor when I was a kid useta make two or three big ol' barrels of the stuff every year. In Michigan, I think you were allowed up to a 100 gallons for personal use or something like that.


F14...Aw, heck    Posted 02-08-2001 at 19:03:41       [Reply]  [No Email]

couldn't wait ":^) Sorry about the picture quality, using a Camcorder, resolution is pretty poor. Here's an overall view, link is to a closeup of the screw jack.


Nathan(GA)    Posted 02-08-2001 at 20:27:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Can't help you on that one F14. My drink maker works off of heat, vapor, then condensation using corn instead of apples. I'll ask some of the old timers around here though.


Dumb Logger    Posted 02-10-2001 at 19:09:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Mighty mighty pleasin, Pappy,s corn squeezins.


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