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Horsepower or ego?
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deadcarp    Posted 04-09-2004 at 16:51:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
It takes 18 hp to get the average car down the road at 65 mph. If they made one, we could probably all afford one. That means the rest is for something else. What're the ridiculous numbers for? :)

jf    Posted 04-10-2004 at 02:10:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I vote ego. We americans are interesting in that we demand vehicles to match our personality. They are no longer just for practical, utility purposes. To get from point A to point B-but to showboat ourselves as we do it. Why else are american teenagers pulling up to the pumps in Dodge Ram pickups that cost 40 dollars to fill up and scoot down the road at 10 mpg. Let alone all the accessorys that cost mommy and daddy a fortune.

Vic    Posted 04-09-2004 at 18:28:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
GEO Metro was the best I ever seen. 50 mpg. Four on the floor and a fifth under the seat. It would get 65 mpg at 65 mph on long hauls and cost under $8000 back in the early 90's. Had a one liter motor in it with three cylinders. You just could not pull a trailer or load junk on the top. But for two or three people you could haul A$$ really cheap for many miles. They were and if the still make them are great cars. But the best I ever had was a 67 Dodge Dart with a slant 6 225ci, three on the tree no a/c add on radio. top in at 108 and would go from 50 to 100 in about 3to 5 seconds for passing. Rust finally took it about 1990 and 255000 miles later. I had a cookie sheet for the floor board on one side and some old license plates to comver the holes on the other side of the front seat by the time it went down. Best work car I ever had. It was also the last car in America that sold for under $2000 in 67. My Dad boutht it new with 2.6 miles on it and I paid him $300 for it when it had 150,000 miles one it and then drove it for over 4 years. Only problem with it was people would steal the gas cap of it so I figured out that you could take a small juice can/back in them days and cut it in half and it would fit over the gas hole and no one wanted that so that is what it had most of my life with it. Wish I had a new one of them or a GEO METRO.

Dave Munson    Posted 04-09-2004 at 20:39:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I remember my 1st Metro or Sprint. As you described. You could tell the health of the engine by the mpg. Above 45mpg every thing fine. If it dropped below that you needed to get it tuned up.

Just bought a 2000 Metro a few weeks ago. The one I got is a 4 cyl, 1.3L engine, auto, 42k miles. Only gets 30-35 MGP. Roomy as the last one. More pep. Much better fuel injection than the carb. Cost about 3 grand. I figure that if gas stays above $1.6/gal I will have it paid for in a year (by saving $$ at the gas pump over my pickup).

Great drive-to-work car.

Burrhead    Posted 04-09-2004 at 18:51:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hadda 66 4 dr Belvidere with the same setup as yer Dart was. I'd like to have a new one of those or a Dart either one. There was enough room for 4 full growed men to sit comfortably, it rode like a dream, and got dang good gas mileage.

hay    Posted 04-10-2004 at 03:53:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
you bring back lots of memories with that belvedere, burr. i had a '63 plymouth valiant that i drove the wheels off and then a '68 dodge dart that could haul half the football team around. and that was a COMPACT car in them days. amazing how we all got shoved into these tiny little front drive cracker boxes nowadays. a flea could not get comfortable in some of today's mid size cars.

diesel motorcycle?    Posted 04-09-2004 at 18:16:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
My next project is installing a kubota 3 cylinder diesel engine(came of a snapper z mower, water cooled engine) on an 1100 kawasaki motorcycle frame. I have the frame and engine just have not started on it. The plan is to use a high torque go-kart racing clutch (centrifugal)sp to power it from dead stop to road speed looking for 65mph.
I might have to build a rear gear, but I have clutch drive gears in 20 different increments.
The engine has a governed rpm of around 2500, I think i can do it with out a gear box but I may have to use one....anybody got any ideas?
input is welcome I'm always open to suggestions...


RN    Posted 04-09-2004 at 19:20:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Could check snowmobile-Comet type belt/double pulley sheave to jackshaft/chain transmission. Old Harley transmissions getting scarce-still might find one. Early pre-65 ford/chev/dodge powerglide type transmission from the bellhousing mount/ front motormount pattern might be usable-have seen articles on useing them as 2 speed couplers for odd power units, belt and chain drives to grinders, shellers, other uses. same age gear transmission also possible? RN.

I could live with that...    Posted 04-09-2004 at 18:00:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
As long as the tranny comes with 47 gears...

Salmoneye, Who Smells A New DC Project


Fern(Mi)    Posted 04-09-2004 at 17:34:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
A couple of my favorite vehicles were home brewed and tweaked some. And they were not lightweights by any means.
On of the earliest was 70 Chevy ˝ ton suburban. 305 ci. Engine, three on tree, Differential gears as high as they would go, power brakes and gas guzzling power steering completed the package. Drove that vehicle near forever, giving up on it metal fatigue’s bone cancer having set in. 23/mpg. Day in and out for 17 years .
Another 51, 54, 70, 74, 76 6000# 4x4 1ton Chevy truck. Put ˝ million miles on it. SB 400 gas under hood, four on floor, 410(?) gears, 8.00x17 HP tires, and water vapor injected manifold. Got 17/19mpg phenomenal for 22 years. Again bone and skin cancers took the old haulers life. There was not anyplace I ever wanted to go it refused to take me.
Still miss these vehicles today. I thought they did their jobs well and economically satisfying the transportation needs for family of nine plus, seemed like Clink was always sneaking in a couple/three neighbor kids. If I could do it? Why not some of these big three’s?

RN    Posted 04-09-2004 at 17:33:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
18 hp for average car? Where did that figure come from? 'average car'- how heavy? how many passengers? Engine size? Compare to Renault 4cv- 750cc=45cubic inch engine-about 20 hp, about 1800lbs wet weight+driver. Early subaru 360-25 hp? 2800 lb Chevy Malibu 6cylinder? About same body Pontiac with 400 cubic inch engine? C20 Chev Pickup about same weight empty but larger frontal area=more wind resistance? Volkswagon diesel rabbit getting 48 miles to gallon? RN

Ron/PA    Posted 04-09-2004 at 17:18:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here in PA. the rest is for getting UP the hills. 18 HP would barely get a good sized bike up over snowshoe, let alone a 2000 lb car or pickup. I also have bad visions of me trying to get a ton of feed up over kaboodle hollow with 18 HP.
But hey that's just my opinion

deadcarp    Posted 04-09-2004 at 21:31:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
You like tractors? The old ones had about 15-20 hp, pulled stumps, lifted rocks, threw Farmhands all day and got around pretty good. Like i said, you don't need all that power.:)

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