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Time for Farm Subsidies for the small guy
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Greg    Posted 04-14-2004 at 18:06:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Does the US government assist the small farmer, or is it predominatley geared to the large agri-business?

In Canada the farmer has quotas and can reap good returns per head of cattle. The homesteader gets no help. If he raises a couple of beef for his family he gets no help doing it. The deciding factor is the number of head I think, or the amount of income. He is still making a contribution to society as his family belongs to it.

It seems to me the small guy should get help. Just because he has a smaller holding doesn't mean the people he supports don't need to be fed. It's time for the govt to recognise the homesteader's plight, it takes the same problems raising one homestead cow as it does for the agri-farmer. It takes the same sweat fixing the tractor has the other guy, but the small guy can't claim tax exemptions for repairs.

All agri-businesses owe their existance at one time to the homesteader. It's time that's recognised.


screaminghollow    Posted 04-15-2004 at 08:00:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
It seems there are two different ways of looking at the situation. First, it does seem that many of the farm subsidy programs are geared toward the larger operations and even then only in certain industries. For instance, when we had a bad drought a few years ago, there was a gov't program to help farmers here pay for feed. Of course, it only applied to cattle, sheep and goats, not other livestock, like horses, hogs or poultry. (Like the cost of their feed didn't go up too) In this area, you can put your farm in an Ag Preservation program and be paid for your development rights. But they will only take large farms, so the big guys put together a few hundred acres and get a few hundred thousand dollars for the rights. The little guy with only 40 acres doesn't stand a chance of getting into the program. The big guys get gov't grants to pay for contour swales and letting land lay fallow. To the little farmer, this seems very unfair, and it is.
HOWEVER, on the otherhand, why should any of these operations get any special treatment. I get PO'd over the beef check off, I had to pay for years, which by and large went to some Madison Ave Ad exec. To buy a couple of calves to raise for my family, The gov't told me I had to pay into a fund, over which I had no control, to pay some big wigs for an ad campaign which didn't benefit me in any possible way. Thank heavens the check-off's are slowly being declared unconstitutional. If you are not a farmer, or just ave a couple of acres, you wonder why any body should get such benefits at all. It is unfair. (you can't imagine how much it burns me, that so many folks around here are on gov't welfare or disability programs, so they get their monthly check for doing nothing, get gov't assisted mortgages, their kids get free lunches at school, and they get to pack up the kids and go camping, to the amusement park, whereever, when I am busting my butt to get ahead, and the gov't makes me, through my taxes, subsidize such freeloaders) It isn't fair that anyone should get a free ride or benefit that others do not. This extends to far more than farming. There's a law in most states that provides for higher penalties for assaulting a law officer, than assaulting a regular citizen. If the US constitution provides for equal protection of the law, why should cops get the greater protection, of stiffer penalties for their assailants. If a drunk punches me for no reason, why is that any less an offense than punching a cop for no reason. Sometime look into the lack of rights to defend yourself from illegal action by police officers, there are almost no rights to defend yourself in such a case. An out of control cop can beat the crap out of you and you pretty much have to take it and hope you survive. It is unfair all the way round.


Greg    Posted 04-15-2004 at 10:24:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
"why should cops get the greater protection, of stiffer penalties for their assailants."

you don't need the constitution for an argument, and your right of course. Personal threat makes up part of the salary in the risk category. So they're getting both benefits.


"That's the nature of the work, it's part of the job description and that's the pay. If you don't like the job quit".

Agree 100%


screaminghollow    Posted 04-15-2004 at 12:15:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
actually, it makes a lesser class of citizens of the rest of us, as if we are less deserving of the law's protection.


Ron/PA    Posted 04-15-2004 at 06:02:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Boy I just couldn't disagree with you more! What I really think should happen is the government should get its grubby bumbling mitts out of the marketing end of farming. Let the market dictate the price unaided and unsupported. By the same means, ABSOLUTELY NO PRICE CONTROLL!
If Canada is doing well on beef, please don't let me participate in their bounty! MC disease dropped the bottom out of their market, the US market is supposedly bolstered by the atkins craze, but at least down here it's at a reasonable price. Reasonable enough that dairy herds are going for beef. Now the milk price is expected to jump 50 per gallon retail, but I'll be suprised if the producer see's 5% of that increase.
No thanx, I'll pass on subsidies, just get them off my back and outta my way.
Ron


D    Posted 04-14-2004 at 20:34:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
What the HELL are you talking about? Which beef producers in Canada are getting a good return? And why should anybody pay you to raise a couple of beef cows for a hobby, when it's hobby farmers like you who use their off-farm income to subsidize their hobbies, driving up land prices by buying up good productive land and turning it to crap, so that farmers actually producing something useful can't afford it?


dale anne    Posted 04-23-2004 at 04:38:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
wow d...a bit harsh dont ya think????....what kinda of facts do you have to back up any of the statements you have made?...hobby farmers turning land into crap and driving up prices of land?...i hope ya have a leg to stand on my friend. I started out as a hobby farmer and yes all 4 of us here also work full time cause anyone who farms knows that with every dang thing being shipped from over seas is killing us..and many folks start out as hobby farmers cause the old traditions of a farm being handed down from generation to generation had come nil and void to people going under. I hope you know i pay the same dang price fer land as everyone else no matter if im a large farm or not and i will tell you now that i have not ruined a dang thing i have made many improvments to this property that was once nothing more then a junk yard which in a fact a HUGE farmer had owned!....please give me the facts that you have my dear on how a hobby farmer does all that you have claimed they do.
sincerly pissed off
dale anne


Greg    Posted 04-15-2004 at 10:27:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I do it for food, it's you that labels it has a hobby. I do it for the same reason a big farmer does, only difference is I do it to feed my family.



Lazy Al    Posted 04-14-2004 at 18:36:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Take a look around here


Clipper    Posted 04-14-2004 at 18:30:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
USDA is geared for large agri-business as well as the small farmer. Have you checked with your County Extension Service and the USDA as well??

If you are looking for a break from the IRS and get none don't blame the USDA....


Dennis    Posted 04-14-2004 at 18:28:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Go to this site and pick out your state and it will tell you who gets what.

http://www.ewg.org/farm/region.php?fips=00000

Enjoy


Big Mike    Posted 04-14-2004 at 18:20:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
As a Land Owner (30 Acres) I do get some Money from the government. (Only about $150 a year,in two payments) My Farmer signs us up for Various Programs in the Spring. Of course the bigger you are the more you get. There was a site called, EWG.org I think, that listed what everybody in the U. S. got the last 4-5 Years.


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