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Maryland taxes: wells today...air tomorrow?
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Tom A    Posted 02-21-2002 at 08:23:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Interesting story from my local paper about our infamous Governor Glendenning.

His newest plan is to tax private wells. FYI, we're running out of water locally because of the rampant over-construction, so his solution is to require annual permits to have a private well.


Franz    Posted 02-22-2002 at 16:26:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Once a politician finds the technology to tax something there is no stopping him. Rat bustards figured they were loosing revinue because you have a well, and they can't charge you for water. Next thing they are gonna do is come up with a personal water discharge metering system. They will charge you for each drop you wizz. No more freebys in the woods or the field, every drop will be metered.

Reminds me of McGovern going bust on his bed and breakfast, he never knew how much all the taxes he passed and regulations he voted for cost the small business.


tlak    Posted 02-22-2002 at 04:45:22       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I dont think politians have any concept of the tax load on tax payers.


Tom A    Posted 02-22-2002 at 06:21:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think they just don't care--"we" (most of us) keep sending them back to the same offices despite this kind of stuff. Glendenning got elected despite his poor history as a county exec, and then re-elected despite his poor history as a Governor. (Ditto for Bill Clinton.) Problem is that most voters are either ignorant or have very short memories.


Hogman ----BOTH!    Posted 02-23-2002 at 03:57:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
But don't forget welfare


I like what I hear, maybe this old world is not gone yet.    Posted 02-21-2002 at 18:44:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have been communicating with Hogman, Les, Salmoneye, Old Cuss and some others on this board. I have yet to find that I disagree with any of their ideas. Maybe I'm not completely crazy after all. Thanks for the boost guys.
Back to the problem, it's not that the world can't support more people, it's just that our way of thinking is getting out of hand. We give away to those that won't work and we allow those from other countries that are unable to contribute to come in and use our resourses.
It is the simple story of taking more out of the pot that you put back in. The pot is going to become empty sometime.


Hogman    Posted 02-23-2002 at 04:03:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Remember LBJ' inaugral speech " WE SHALL TAKE FROM THE HAVES AND GIVE TO THE HAVE NOTS"!


Stretch    Posted 02-21-2002 at 14:01:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
So now our illustrious governor is going to charge us to use our own water. It just keeps getting better, don't it?


I am chicken so I will not sign my name to this.    Posted 02-21-2002 at 13:03:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
The problem is as plain as the nose on our faces. The solution will divide this board like crazy
Problem---OVER POPULATION
Solution--MANDATORY BIRTH CONTROL
Now stand back and watch the rocks being thrown.


Hogman- I ain't chicken    Posted 02-21-2002 at 18:10:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'll agree with Ya even if it realy is You brother Burr.


Les...Well Hogman    Posted 02-21-2002 at 18:35:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't see any clues that the author of that post is Bro Burr.


Hogman-- Aw Les, only funnin    Posted 02-21-2002 at 18:53:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'll agree with you on DC etc Maw Hog and I went to Baltimore coupla years ago. Never knew how great tha Ozarks are.

But, They just came out with an additional tourist Tax here. Need it ta bring in more tourists ta pay fer all tha damage tha tourists are causin.

So far as payin for water out of Your own well. It's been some fifty years now that if You drill a well in the LA basin They stuck a meter on it and You paid a monthly water bill just tha same as if it was city water.


big fred    Posted 02-21-2002 at 20:07:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
That water in the LA basin has been pumped over the mountains, then used to irrigate, percolated thru the ground and that's what you're pumping with a well. I guess the folks that paid to pump it over the mountains want to get paid for it again. Lots of politics involved with water in California.


Hogman---theres more    Posted 02-23-2002 at 04:34:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
The water thats pumped over the mountain is replenishment water. Bulk of water is recycled sewage. pumped out of Central and West basins.As of the time I left that godforsakin garbage heap They had 5 days supply of water at any one time without the replenishment water.
Colo'River water is so loaded with alkaly its almost unusable plus theres not enough to worry about.
LA City gets Their water from the Walker River plus what They buy from metro .Thats another rape case if You dig into it.

They use a huge amount of water just maimtaining the fresh water barrier to keep the sea water out of the basins. Also a large amount is used as injection water for the offshore oil wells. They started out using recycled sewage but it grew algae and was plugging the wells so they went back to using Metropolitain water.
The basin grabbed the Feather River,the Sacrmento Delta and was talkin about stealin tha Columbia River some 20 years ago.
Sorry ,just got wound up and I could keep goin.


Hogman---theres more    Posted 02-23-2002 at 04:34:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
The water thats pumped over the mountain is replenishment water. Bulk of water is recycled sewage. pumped out of Central and West basins.As of the time I left that godforsakin garbage heap They had 5 days supply of water at any one time without the replenishment water.
Colo'River water is so loaded with alkaly its almost unusable plus theres not enough to worry about.
LA City gets Their water from the Walker River plus what They buy from metro .Thats another rape case if You dig into it.

They use a huge amount of water just maimtaining the fresh water barrier to keep the sea water out of the basins. Also a large amount is used as injection water for the offshore oil wells. They started out using recycled sewage but it grew algae and was plugging the wells so they went back to using Metropolitain water.
The basin grabbed the Feather River,the Sacrmento Delta and was talkin about stealin tha Columbia River some 20 years ago.
Sorry ,just got wound up and I could keep goin.


Les...Nah    Posted 02-21-2002 at 13:51:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
We ain't overpopulated. It's just that so many people want to live right on top of each other. That's where your trouble comes from. Do you know how many years people have been screaming that overpopulation was going to doom us? Starvation, etc? All my life and long before.
Same kind of people said we'd be out of oil long ago and would have cut down every tree, land fills would be full and no more place to put trash and on and on and on ad nauseum. Take a fly over this great country some time and then tell me we're running out of room for people and things like land fills.
Here in NH, the state was about 20% forested before the Civil War. Now it's close to 90%. No need to panic. We can't cut trees fast enough.


Stretch    Posted 02-21-2002 at 14:05:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
If it weren't so dang far north, I might move up there Les. They're sure cuttin' 'em fast enough down here.

No, I ain't no tree-hugger. Far from it. But the pines are being turned into sawdust awful fast around here. And the land is being turned into housing developments. I hate to see that.


Salmoneye...I aint chicken...    Posted 02-21-2002 at 13:35:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Anyone that wants can toss stones at me...long as I get to toss back ;-)

But...I do not TOTALLY disagree with you...I just do not believe in mandatory birth control...lets say 'Population Control'...Lets close the flood across the border to start...and then here is where I may get some heat...lets not be havin ANY children unless we can afford them...and STOP when you get to the point where you can't...The wife has informed me that we are done at 1 and that is NOT so that somone else can have an extra...Our families both have histories of taking in foster kids...and that will be what we do in the future to expand our family...


InVermont    Posted 02-21-2002 at 13:54:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm with you.... but as long as our govt. keeps paying for the 'underpriveleged' no matter how many babies they pop out, we won't be stemming the tide. it has been shown that when welfare depts. discontinue benefits if add'l children come into a household, birth rates in those households goes dramatically down- BTW, I am not saying throw out the whole program- we still have to find some way to take care of the mentally retarded and those really too feable to fend for themselves; but I see too many able bodied people getting 'assistance'.


Les...There are definitely    Posted 02-21-2002 at 14:27:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
many people who SHOULD NOT be allowed to have children. Trouble is, you don't always know who they are until after they've had one or more. Of course it's not PC to say such a thing. It has nothing to do with race, religion or whatever, either (at least in my case).
Of course abortion at any time for any reason or even no particular reason was going to solve the problem of unwanted and neglected children.
What a selfish world we live in.


don    Posted 02-21-2002 at 12:20:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Let's seeeee....we're not going to charge you for using less than xxx gallons but you must register your well and water usage with the government....where have I heard that before? kinda sounds like the anti-gun folks! you can keep your gun, but we just want to know who has-em.....


Les    Posted 02-21-2002 at 12:16:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
A few years ago my wife and I spent a couple of days in D.C. Thought we'd get a motel room near the end of the red line and ride the Metro in to museums, etc. Wrong! We ended up in Frederick at the Econolodge. That was a close as we could get. Each day we'd wait for the rush to be over, then head down 270 for the Shady Grove Metro stop. Not one parking place could be found. We had to drive to the next stop (Rock Creek is it?) and were lucky to find a parking spot there. I absolutely could not live in those conditions.


big fred    Posted 02-21-2002 at 09:44:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Out here in western Washington, we pay a "surface water management" tax, which means we pay for the privelege of getting rained on. I have 5.6 acres, mostly wooded, which is the ideal landscape for controlling runoff, as the water is evaporated thru the leaves of the trees. So even though my trees are helping to manage the runoff, I get to pay. Danged if ya do and danged if ya don't, I guess.


Ole Cuss    Posted 02-21-2002 at 09:29:10       [Reply]  [No Email]

The rampant over-building in Frederick County has caused them to impose what they call an Impact Fee of $38,000 on all new residential construction. This gets you nothing but an okey-dokey to build. The developer-bought-and-paid-for politicians let the building and population get so out of hand that the infrastructure of roads, emergency services, and schools is too overburdened ever to catch up, and they pretend this fee will make new residents "pay their way." But a lifelong resident like myself who's paid county and state taxes all my life, if I want to build a house on my own land that's been in my family for years and years, also has to pay that $38,000 "just because". When I was young, I wanted to live my whole life here, but this county and this state seems to suck more every day.


Stretch    Posted 02-21-2002 at 13:37:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ole Cuss, let me get this straight. You have to pay $38,000 for a PERMIT? That's amazing! How do they expect anybody to afford a house? I hope you don't send any of your local politicians to the state. We got enough fees now.


Tom A    Posted 02-21-2002 at 10:17:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
So OC, you're in Frederick county, too? I have a friend up the road--3d generation on their farm-- and he wanted to give his grandkids each a lot to build on, but the kids can't afford to be 'given' the land because of all the fees and costs involved.

Our local schools are well over 100% full, yet there are 400 new houses under construction in town right now and not a single new classroom yet. The builders will get their money--pass along the cost to the yuppies moving here from the city. The big builders are absolutely ruining the area, and the only ones hurt are the folks who've been here.

sorry, I get excited sometimes.
Tom A


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