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YEA It's about TIME! (somewhat Long)
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Ennis    Posted 05-18-2004 at 13:18:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- House Democrats say a plan advancing for a vote today would stop illegal immigrants from seeking care at hospitals such as Ben Taub in Houston because of fears of deportation.

The bill's supporters, however, say it is a way to save more money for citizens and legal residents. They say there is no need for the nation to subsidize care for people within the borders illegally.

The debate is over a proposal in a Medicare bill to spend $1 billion for the next four years on reimbursing hospitals for the treatment of illegal immigrants. Texas could reap $50 million each year, officials said.

The bill requires hospitals to take fingerprints or photographs of illegal immigrants and make the records available to the Department of Homeland Security, which can use them to begin deportation proceedings.

The proposal also requires illegal immigrants receiving care to name their employer, so the medical bill could be sent there instead of to Washington.

"The American people are waiting to see if we are going to use our scarce health care dollars to help our senior citizens ... or if we're going to use to help strangers who are here illegally," said California Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, the Republican who wrote the proposal.

Several Democrats from Texas and California, including Rep. Lloyd Doggett of Austin, called the bill "outrageous" and "xenophobic."

Doggett said the proposal would turn doctors and hospital officials into border patrol agents, a move that would take too much attention from their regular duties

"We're trying to merge ER with NYPD Blue here," Doggett said. "These are real live human beings who face crisis."

The Harris County Hospital District, which provides health care to the poor, has not taken a position on the bill, said King Hillier, who lobbies for the county.

However, hospital officials generally do not like "being an extension" of immigration officials, he said.

The county spends about $50 million a year on care of illegal immigrants and some of that cost is covered by federal subsidies for indigent care, King said. He said Harris County has about 20 percent of the state's illegal immigrant population.

Hospitals refusing to keep the records of illegal immigrants would not be eligible for the federal subsidies. The money was allotted in December as part of a massive Medicare overhaul in response to hospitals that said they would have to close their emergency rooms without money for care of the immigrants.

Rep. David Drier, R-Calif., who heads the powerful Rules Committee, opposes the bill, and there is no version pending in the Senate.

"My concern is that it will send a message to many people that the threat of deportation is on the horizon," Drier said.

Rep. John Culberson, R-Houston, said the bill is necessary for "national security and financial security of this nation."

O.O.A.    Posted 05-18-2004 at 17:53:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Its hard to believe a Republican / corporate America, would sponsor this bill.This goes against everything they stand for. Cheap labor ,no benefits. This is very strange.

O.O.A.    Posted 05-18-2004 at 18:14:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dah ; with all the out scourceing they have a new labor force.

steve19438    Posted 05-18-2004 at 16:13:32       [Reply]  [Send Email]
SOME of you people are just plain pathetic! we americans have it made and yet the complainers keep running at the mouth. what would you do if you really had it rough? (yes i have it made)
america, luv it or leave it!!!!

Can you see....    Posted 05-18-2004 at 17:43:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
which finger I'm wavin at ya????

Clipper: who ain't gonna wrassel with a pig anymore....

Stormie    Posted 05-18-2004 at 15:57:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
It is sad.....Look how quick Bush ok'd $300 million dollars for aids in Africa. Millions of people could have used it right here in the US.

It is going to take someone who cares more about the people of this country than their own pocket book or political well being to reform health care and as far as I can tell there aren't any out there.

steve19438    Posted 05-18-2004 at 14:41:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
my, my, my we have a bunch of haters here! the really sad thing is the elderly who did not plan for their futures are the ones suffering! i suppose they truly believed that "the gov't" would see them through their lives. my grandmother inherited roughly $50,000 in the early thirties and lived on that for the sixty years. (yes frugality does pay)
if you young people are not planning for your futures (401's, etc) then you too will be hating and blaming someone else because it's your own fault for not planning.

ret    Posted 05-18-2004 at 17:49:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Let me see, I am a product of the 30s, folks paid $1100 for our old home. Dr. would take $10 a month if you owed him, no interest. Could buy an old car that you didn't have to have inspected and smogged and drive it without insurance. If you worked, SS deduction cut off at an early date, not like today where most people pay all year. Folks signed up for Blue Cross when it came out, it covered EVERYTHING, and dad paid a dollar a week. That was sometime around 1940 I think. There were few working mothers in the neighborhood, mainly because before WW2 there wasn't any work.I worked part time at a gas station in 43 at 13 years old, gas was 4 gal for $.74 reg, if you had an A stamp. There are few stay at home moms now, one person working in the family at an average wage, if they have not been outsourced, has it really hard. If you don't understand this , you are out of touch with reality. Your grandmothers $50,000 was a fortune in the 30s and 40s. I don't have it made as you say, though some might think so, but insurance costs and pensions and a whole lot of benefits were given to me that have been taken away through the years. My daughter pays more in taxes than I ever made, and it keeps getting worse. It is a wonder the younger generation coming up doesn't riot in the street, except they don't have the time, they are all working to get by.
I don't understand you

Clipper    Posted 05-18-2004 at 15:16:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Who are YOU to come in here and pass judgement on any of the folks here? I did not see anyone post the word HATE here....YOU brought that in here along with a unfair condemnation of Seniors who you don't even know. I'm also thinking here that things would have been different for your Grandmother if she had not "inherited" that sum of money to help her. You'd prolly be talking outta the other side of your mouth if that were the case.

~Lenore    Posted 05-18-2004 at 15:28:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, clipper, my tongue is bleeding again!!
I posted my one little reply to Steve and I am fighting the urge to do more! Thanks for stepping in here; I may be able to resist.

Hard to imagine Steve was a hater once, huh?

Clipper    Posted 05-18-2004 at 15:30:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hate wrassling with a pig....the pig always enjoys it and I don't. :^)

~Lenore    Posted 05-18-2004 at 14:49:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Steve, do you really believe that not wanting illegal aliens to get free care that tax paying poor American citizens can't get is hating?

steve19438    Posted 05-18-2004 at 14:54:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
many, many years ago i too was a hater! but i grew up, learned to like myself, stopped blaming other people for my plight in life and realized the folly of my ways. btw, underneath this talk is plenty of hate. (takes one to know one, or the larger picture)

Les    Posted 05-18-2004 at 14:56:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
And I bet you used to be conceited, too, but you got over that and now you're perfect, right?

Patria    Posted 05-18-2004 at 13:58:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
A FRiend of mine sent me a link about a piece of news from fox, tittled "Immigrant Voters Could Change Election Landscapes". Says they are allowed to vote in local elections also. I didn't know..

Stormie    Posted 05-18-2004 at 15:51:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi Patria. How are ya. Illegal immigrants is completely different that immigrants. Immigrants have the right to vote because they are legal citz.

Patria    Posted 05-18-2004 at 18:42:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Stormie, I'm doing great, how about you?:-)

By "legal citz", do you mean american citizens or legal residents?

Dave Smith, xenophobe    Posted 05-18-2004 at 13:34:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
xenophobe, Had to look that word up. Ill bet he had some one look it up for him.
Dave <*)))><

Main Entry:xenophobe
Pronunciation:*ze-n*-*f*b, *z*-
Etymology:International Scientific Vocabulary

: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin
–xenophobic \*ze-n*-*f*-bik, *z*-\ adjective
–xenophobically \-bi-k(*-)l*\ adverb

Melanie    Posted 05-18-2004 at 13:32:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sad as it is, what Rohrbacher said is true... while I wish America was this amazing rich place where people from all over the place could come and, without benefit of citizenship, live and work, the truth is, it isn't. Our elderly are going without care while immigrants that won't even pay their bills get their health care. Our unemployment rates are high, but you can troll down the street and pick up illegal workers for a song (and I think every town has that street; here in Portland, Oregon it's Burnside) so you don't have to pay minimum wage to American unemployed. And if you expect a job at a fast food place, at least in my town, you dang well better know Spanish or you can't communicate with your coworkers.
On the other hand, I have a heart. I feel really sorry for these folks that are going to be too afraid to go to a doctor in the U.S. for fear of being deported. Some people will die. But dammit, I saw a story on the news just the other day about a 20-something year old guy who was on the state health plan whose anti-seizure meds were called "too expensive," he got cut off, and of course he died within a year. If you have health problems, and you aren't a U.S. citizen, go back to where you came from and shaft your own hospital system with the bill for your care. Don't come here and rip off legit citizens of the care they are entitled to first, before you. It's harsh, but it's true. We live here. We were born here or tested for citizenship to live here. We pay taxes. We deserve the care first.

Clipper    Posted 05-18-2004 at 13:24:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
The threat of deportation is on the horizon??? Gimme a break with these bleeding-heart knuckleheads willya!!!! While our seniors are eating cat food and pinching pennies to afford medications these illegal "bums" are getting a free health-care ride on our tax dollars??? Something real WRONG with this picture for sure!!!!

Stormie    Posted 05-18-2004 at 16:01:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree! We also treat our prisoners better than our seniors. Well if things look this bleek when I get to be a senior I am going to start stealing cars. At least I'll get three squares a day and the medicine I need.

Not me.....    Posted 05-18-2004 at 17:26:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Banks are more profitable than stolen cars.... :^)

And you'll get a longer jail sentence! :^)

Clipper: Lookout Bank America!

KellyGa    Posted 05-18-2004 at 13:37:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Amen to that! RIght now as I sit here, my mother is taking her meds every other day to save money. :( Now how is that fair?

Melanie    Posted 05-18-2004 at 13:41:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
It isn't at---all. And while Americans, both old and young, die because the HMOs can't (or won't, but that's another story) help them, you got Mexico, Russia, Thailand, etc, etc, sending us their poor to sponge off our system without ever paying in. Sad. Really sad.

DD    Posted 05-18-2004 at 13:31:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ditto That! : )

Doc    Posted 05-19-2004 at 04:32:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
"A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular".

Adlai E. Stevenson

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