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Nurse's Butt on Fire, Film at 11
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Ole Cuss    Posted 03-06-2002 at 15:32:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry, no film, but I wanted to get your attention. My Dad's practical nurse is a wonderful lady with a terrible case of hemorrhoids. She knows I have interest and knowledge of home remedies and natural/herbal formulas, so asked for some suggestions (Prep H doesn't help her, Anusol helps only a little). Aside from an alum sitz-bath and Betadine-linseed oil topical, I haven't found too much in my home remedy file for her problem. An hour searching the internet gave me a lot of information on specific herbs that seem to help (horse chestnut, butcher's broom, mullein, bilberry, etc). Now I would like to ask the kind folks here for any input for remedies that have proven useful to you for this problem. Miz Lois thanks you in advance.

Judy in IN    Posted 03-07-2002 at 20:54:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ole Cuss, In addition to treating the symtoms, the practical nurse may want to correct the problem. If the hemmoroids are due to constipation, I suggest that she cut the wheat out of her diet for a week. That will speed up her digestion, and her BMs will be softer. Meat or vegetables digest MUCH faster than bread.

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-08-2002 at 02:31:09       [Reply]  [No Email]

Thank you, Judy. In my internet research, especially on "The Butt Doctor's Home Page" (yes, it's a real site!), the need for dietary correction was emphasized. I will make sure Miz Lois is aware that dietary modification is also important.

Dreamweaver    Posted 03-07-2002 at 17:52:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Very witty title, Old Cuss. Regarding herbal remedies, be careful. When I worked in Radiology I saw a 3-way of the abdomen of a woman who was giving herself herbal enemas for breast cancer treatment, got a bad case of ascites, and upon closer look via x-ray, found massive tape worms from the dirt and herbs that were unsterilized. I'm a firm believer of home remedies, but just be careful to sanitize anything you take internally from the dirt. Hope she finds something to help.

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-08-2002 at 02:35:52       [Reply]  [No Email]

Thank you, DW. A reputable source is very important with natural remedies. The herb source I use is an Amish & Mennonite supplier named Sam Chupp in Burr Oak, Michigan, and his products are excellent. By the way, did you know that, at the turn of the century, someone was marketing diet pills that turned out to be tapeworms in a gel capsule? That's losing weight the hard way.

Burrhead    Posted 03-07-2002 at 21:37:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good point Sister Perky.

One more thing I would like to add to your safety precaution is this.

Most of you already know this it but I'll mention it again in case somebody is lurking that don't know to go see a Dr if the rhoids are persistant.

I had almost waited too long.

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-08-2002 at 02:37:42       [Reply]  [No Email]

I know she has seen her physician about these 'roids but I don't know how recently. I'll mention to her the need to get reevaluated if they persist too long without improvement.

Hogman    Posted 03-07-2002 at 04:18:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
For some 50 years I have done well usin witch hazel. Keep it cold,will stop tha first blush burning, just slosh it on a cotton ball'n slap it on. Not too hard of course.
I learned about it from a old time OB. Said "have a kid have a hemmy". Found out later that some Hospitals use it as a regular thing but when I mentioned it to a buddy who was also My Doc He had never heard of it and called it 'snake oil"

He had a strange sense of humor, when I recited tha poem ,realy a ode to a Dr He took exception to tha "hole"thing.
You stick a finger down My throat
another up My rectum
If there be trouble in between
I'm sure You can correctum.

Mabe thats why He charged so much both times He whacked Me open and played "SEWING BEE".

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-07-2002 at 12:37:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good poem. Maybe your doc can get a humor transplant from a donor at the IRS, where the funny bones have never been used. A doctor who doesn't take himself too seriously is a precious commodity: I got some good info from one internet site called "The Butt Doctor's Home Page". Anyway it reminds me of a story. A psychiatrist and a proctologist opened an office together. The first sign they hung out said "Queers and Rears". People got upset over that, so they replaced it with one that said, "Nuts and Butts." Again, they got complaints, so at last they came up with a sign that offended no one: "Odds and Ends".

Hogman    Posted 03-08-2002 at 11:33:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
I like that OC, Naw realy, that Doc was an all around good feller with a good sense of humor MOST of tha time. Since He was Greek tho He had one sensitive area when it came to jokes.
By contrast another Friend who was also Greek liked to greet people with"beware of Greeks wearing tennis shoes",which same He wore most of tha time.

Burrhead    Posted 03-06-2002 at 21:39:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
If Mz Lois will make a paste out of Benzocaine or just plain Orajel and witch hazel that works danged good as a topical. Orajel kills the burn and itch, plus the witch hazel reduces swelling and holds down the irritation.

For somebody on the go like she is, she can presoak the heavy paper hand towels and put them in a ziplock sandwich bag to move around and use as needed through the day.

If I was'nt doing alot of long term sitting or lifting the benzocaine kills the burn about 3-4 hrs.

When my bleeding got so bad I went to Dr Hang Nail. My rhoids were caused by polyps and a small tumor.

Please tell Mz Lois if the symptoms don't get better not to wait too long for the check up.

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-07-2002 at 03:20:55       [Reply]  [No Email]

Thanks, Bro Burr. She is on the run all day long so that is a good tip on how to make things portable.

Christopher    Posted 03-06-2002 at 18:15:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ole Cuss,
Try oak bark. the cambium (second layer just under the rough outside bark) from white oaks works best but any oak will work, dry it and powder it in a coffee/seed grinder or something, mix this (maby 1/4 cup) with something like cocoa butter that is fairly solid when cold but will melt at body temp. mix it well and make a suppository, insert it overnight, use this until it clears up. if it is so bad that this is hard to do then make a decoction of the bark and keep applying it as often as possible. Make a decoction by simmering as low as possible 1 tbs to the cup or a small handfull in a pint of water for 45 min to 1 hour strain and use. If you want to use other herbs you can add comfrey root or leaf, and/ or raspberry leaf ( comfrey heals and raspberry is astringent.)Also it would be a good idea to use a MILD laxative to keep from straining with a bm, turkey rhubarb is good for this, might find it at an herb shop or health food store, prune juice always works too! Hope this helps! Chris

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-07-2002 at 03:25:01       [Reply]  [No Email]

Thank you, Christopher. In addition to helping Miz Lois, you've added some very good information to my home remedy file, and I am always grateful for new knowledge. The info on oak bark was new to me. Do you suppose willow bark might also be helpful in a decoction or poultice? You may already know that willow bark is a natural source of salicylate, the active ingredient in aspirin. Indians used to chew it as a fever remedy.

Christopher    Posted 03-07-2002 at 08:19:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ole Cuss,
Willow bark wouldn't hurt, in fact it might relieve some of the pain, The oak bark works because it is astringent and has the calcium and other minerals that strengthen the blood vessels and tissue so it can heal, Witch Hazel as everyone suggested will help as it is really astringent, but it doesn't have the longer lasting effect of the oak bark, you can use them together though and might get a faster result. Yes, I like to use the willow bark instead of asprin, it is much better for you, I refuse to use asprin (or any other conventional concoction) because it is detrimental to ones health, the quaking aspen or white poplar bark works even better for fevers than white willow. Quinine of course comes from the Peruvian bark or chinchona (sp?) tree. There is a lot more to herbal medicine than most Doctors will admit, it does work! Chris

Hogman    Posted 03-08-2002 at 11:55:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Old time remadys,snake oil,fads,what have Ya, Modern medicine has pooh pooped for years. Logic tells You there is a friendship between the Medical proffesion and the drug companies. Has ta be.
Who used ta write all tha gardenin books? Fert companies right? Who said ta get rid of all those leaves and lawn trimmins and buy GOOD ferts from Us?
Why would Bayor Co tell Ya ta go chaw willer bark?

Note that a hundred years ago tha big thing was magnets,cure everthing from stinky toejam ta dandruff. All of a sudden tha leadin medic gurus were sayin "snake oil" , so folks quit usin em. So now whats tha big thing in mattress' ta foot wear? Walk away yer pains by walkin on magnets.Cure that bad back by sleepin on magnets,.


LazyHorse    Posted 03-06-2002 at 16:50:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cuss my witchdoctor herbalist wife reccomends witchhazel applied topically. She claims it's the same ingredient as in Tucks medicated pads.

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-07-2002 at 03:39:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
(I just wrote a reply but it didn't seem to go through so will try again. Hope it doesn't end up a double post)
Thank Miz Lazyhorse for the help. Miz Lois appreciates any help. I have seen in my internet research that many sources say that remedies for varicose veins are also effective for hemorrhoids; this makes sense since both are blood vessel problems. Does Miz LH have any comment on this?

LazyHorse    Posted 03-07-2002 at 16:08:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry it took me a while to answer you back. She suggests horse chestnut pills for varicose veins, however she isn't sure if it will help the other problem.

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-08-2002 at 02:45:14       [Reply]  [No Email]

All of the internet reasearch sites for this problem indicated the usefulness of horse chestnut tablets for both varicose veins and hemorrhoids. They also mentioned the following in tablet form for hemorrhoid relief: butcher's broom, stone root, witch hazel, yarrow, corydalis, and sage cinnamon.

LazyHorse    Posted 03-08-2002 at 05:00:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Another one she menttioned was Plantaine (sic) we know it as the weed buckhorn, but I'm not sure how its used.

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-08-2002 at 12:50:13       [Reply]  [No Email]

Plantain leaves (narrow and broad leaf varieties) can be applied like a poultice to sores or cuts on the skin. They are not only anti-inflammatory but also reduce bleeding from such minor wounds.

Ole Cuss    Posted 03-07-2002 at 03:29:17       [Reply]  [No Email]

Thank Miz Lazyhorse for me, LH. Miz Lois will appreciate your helpfulness. I have seen in my internet research that many remedies for varicose veins are also effective for hemorrhoids. This makes sense since both are basically blood vessel problems. Does she have any input on that connection?

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