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deadcarp    Posted 06-01-2004 at 07:38:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't like to talk about it much, so i'm not very good at it. Realize i might have come on a little strong when commenting about the protestors in long beach when we came back from nam. Thanks kim & all for your patience. I know it's been decades but old betrayals die hard. We shoulda known when the sarge met us at the door and reminding us to just keep moving. I remember one minute feeling so grateful we're finally home and then the next minute marching down the plank & thru them. I remember one of the guys asking me "Is this home?" These people were so completely clueless, it was like marching thru a zooful of barking aliens. So if it seemed like i was wishing i had shot them, i must be mellowing out. If it's any consolation, that's probably the nicest thing i've ever said about those dirtbags. :)




Alias    Posted 06-01-2004 at 12:49:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Deadcarp, I have this to say. I don't know what to make of the air headed people the sneered and jeered you on your return. but, if I had been one of them, I'd be looking for a Vietnam Vet just so I could kiss his feet. Then, and only then, could I feel even a little relief for my sick action back then. God bless all of you that came back. And, a special blessing for the ones that were spared the pain of betrayal from their country and some of it's citizenery. For the ones of us that support you, no apology is needed. And, for those who didn't, they should do the apologizing. .............gfp


buck    Posted 06-01-2004 at 12:01:50       [Reply]  [No Email]

Used to carry quite a bit of resentment for the things which you speak. When peope would ask if I had gone to Nam and I replied Sure there was always the loss of eye contact and many would never speak to me again. Well one early morning in Appaomattox Va. I stopped for breakfast and was the only one seated when this young boy and girl come in and sit down. They both looked like they had been rode hard and put up wet. He mentioned that they had had a flat on their motorcycle and had slept in a ditch the night before. Then he came and stood by my table and said "thanks". I ask "for what" and he replied"for going to nam". I continued to eat and then finally ask him how he knew. The ones that care know he responded.


Salmoneye    Posted 06-01-2004 at 11:55:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
I missed your first post...

But I can see whatever it was about is important to you and that is all that counts...A person may be able to apologize for deeds, but no one should apologize for their feelings...

I echo the earlier thanks for your service...


mud    Posted 06-01-2004 at 10:55:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
glad you made it home. we're better off for it.

mud


Burrhead    Posted 06-01-2004 at 10:07:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
you don't owe nobody nuthin Carp.

only mistake I seen was the gubermint did'nt issue willy-p for us to throw back.


~Lenore    Posted 06-01-2004 at 09:59:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Please, please do not apologize!
Those "greeters" should be tha ones to apologize, not you.
I wonder why none of them have written a book on it, apologizing? Have any? Surely some of have grown up and realized how wrong and cruel they were!
It breaks my heart and brings tears to my eyes when I think of you guys coming HOME and finding the ememy was here. I think I would have wanted to open fire on all of them!


Fern(Mi)    Posted 06-01-2004 at 12:33:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'll go along with that. Wish I had said it.
Fernan


ron,ar    Posted 06-01-2004 at 09:57:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
You don't owe anybody any apology for that post, you were too kind if you ask me. People like that helped make others feel like we failed somehow. That feeling is hard to shake. I see the pictures of the last days of Saigon and it's hard to understand on the one hand how things could have happened and cost so many lives. Yet on the other hand I am glad we got out then rathar than drag it on. BUT... there was no excuse for the reception our troops recieved, they should live their life in shame for their part in that. I didn't have do much over there, I just did my job I was asked to do.


Ron/PA    Posted 06-01-2004 at 09:29:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
My friend if you EVER apologize again I'll come throw something at you!!!LOL
You did nothing wrong, and you need apologize to no one.
Many a man was marched through that terminal, marching to the barking of a sarg, or looie jus to keep them moving!
Thank you sir for your service.
Ron


Clipper    Posted 06-01-2004 at 08:10:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
You got NOTHING to apologize for deadcarp!!!Most of the Nam Vets came home to just that kind of "welcoming committee". When we came in at the SF Airport folks there were nice enuff to throw animal blood and human urine on us as well as call us things that are not fit to print here.It took me years to forgive myself for being a part of that war. To this day I have the hatred for the protestors and the things that were said and done to us on that day. Dirtbags is a mild term compared to what I refer them folks as. If on that day I and my brothers-in-arms had been able to access our M-16's we surely would have increased our "Confirmed Kill" numbers by a great deal. And there would be NO regrets over that I can assure you.


sharon g    Posted 06-01-2004 at 08:10:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
It doesn't end there. My son has told me that many kids react when he tells them his dad's a Viet Nam vet (we had Johnny late in life, when we were 40). They ask if he's crazy, etc. More than 40% of the homeless here are vets. Makes me upset with our country. Just now they are addressing exposure to agent orange. My dh is getting evaluated for injuries. They want statements from people who knew him before going to Nam. LOL We found only one. They want to know about doctors visited. They were all Army, should be in his records. We are inundated with a stack of paper to fill out.

DH was hit with "friendly" 81 mortar. Wasn't supposed to walk. He does. But now arthritis is developing at injury site. Experimental surgery on his hand is having repurcussions now. Half of his hand is plastic for the bones. Now having problems gripping. Strange skin problems from either agent orange or just jungle rot carrying his stuff. Type 2 diabetes and Hepatitis C that he's been diagnosed with in the past year are supposedly attributed to the agent orange exposure.

The huge VA facility out here is barely operational. Most buildings not used.

What a shame.


Burrhead    Posted 06-01-2004 at 10:01:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sharon that arthur he's getting is probly from the orange. Mine started in my hands and feet

Don't mean to be harsh sounding but I tried the VA route. Screw the VA --he needs a real doctor.



DD    Posted 06-01-2004 at 08:00:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I didn't take your comments to be too strong Deadcarp : ) It's been my experience that most of the guys I've talked to who were In Service over in Vietnam were only boys themselves when sent there and only doing what they were told to do. I think it's a shame how they were treated when they returned. Here's to hoping for more sunshiny days in your future : )


E. G. HENDRICKSON    Posted 06-01-2004 at 07:57:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
No explanation is necessary. They should have
been there to welcome you home. WELCOME HOME!


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