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Problem with farmer update.
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DJ    Posted 03-14-2002 at 19:26:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am amazed and grateful for the sincere responces to my post below. I got mad at one person and he or she will know who they are when they open my post to them...........

To the others. Thank you for your comments and suggestions.

The seller of this property had a verbal agreement with this farmer that she would get a third of the take, he would provide hay or corn to her animals which was a horse and three cows..............

He kept the pasture fertilized and weeded.

She did not take any money from him in exchange for his contribution and care of the other 5 acres. This seemed like a fair deal to me and this is what I'm going on..........

We will have two horses as far as I can see at the moment........

Yes, the farmer uses this land to access some of his ag land. This does not bother me. What bothered me was the charge for the hay and now he's gone down to a forth instead of a third. This interprets "hay" to me. It doesn't take a farmer to figure this out. And to the jerk that suggested I move back to the city, I can manage this land as well as anyone. It's only 14 acres. If we can't take care of that then you're right, I have NO business being here.

Well, (take a breath DJ) I did talk to Lou on the phone yesterday morning.........

We talked and for a while I told him what I was told about the prior agreement with the past owner..............

Then I ask him his advise about the cost for a machine, ( or tractor, for those who are so proud to complain about yuppies coming to the country) that would DO everything he HAD been doing for for this 14 acres, and other questions like; "Lou could you show me where the property line is"? And, "Lou, Who could you recommend that would build me a fence"? Stuff like that............

And before we were through, he had one of his boys bring down the tractor and put a round bale (from last year) into the paddock. No charge.

I wondered if he wasn't considering me an idiot from the city who was accustomed to being gouged?

I don't mind working with my neighbors and I am a fair person, but the hay he gets from the nine acres, which he is putting to weed this year, goes to his dairy cows, yes he also has a dairy farm. He said the deer and turkey are so thick he can't get a good yield from the acerage and will put in alfalfa and clover.

About the roads................

He has the equipment and the boys keep up the gravel roads around here.

We haven't had any tense moments in our talks. I am very cool. I left it up to him, what he wanted to do. If he had to charge me for the hay, I would buy it from someone else and he could take his store elsewhere. I don't mind either way. I really want to keep the same agreement with him that he had with the last family. But it was HIS call. I gave him the opportunity to decide and inform me, so I could make whatever decisions neccessary. I put the ball in his court, and it was up to him what we'd do next.

Good news is, now we have the same deal going that he had with the last family. Except he offers a forth rather then a third.

I don't care, I have two horses and can build a fence when ever they need more pasture to graze.

Mu ha ha

Alvin-Va    Posted 03-15-2002 at 08:56:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
DJ, I'm glad you talked things out with the farmer and you seem happy with the deal.
My concern was and still is the details of the arrangement.Guess I'm still wondering if everyone involved understands where the other person is coming from.
I do not remember where you live,and I am not familiar with farmer/tenant agreements in your area.With that said I will rely only on what would apply in my area.You,or anyone else please correct me on any major details that would be different in your area.
First,the prior agreement.You provide more info on this so it's easier to work with.
If I understand correctly the farmer will provide fertilizer for,and control weeds in the nine acre hay field and five acres of pasture,total fourteen acres.He will provide equiptment and harvest the hay,giving one third to the landowner.In addition he will provide corn for the landowners animals,one horse and three cows.
Now comes the part that may vary according to location,cost of fertilizer,etc.
Cost to farmer.Fertilizer/chemicals,$30.00 acre x 14 acres,total $420.00.Cost of grain,estimate 20 bu. X $2.25 bu. total $45.00.Total out of pocket expense to farmer,not counting equiptment use and fuel expense,$465.00.
Hay produced,if there are 6 bales there now,lets assume this is the second cutting.First cutting should double this in a normal year,figure 12 bales,total 18 bales.Under the terms of the agreement,the farmer gives one third of the crop to the landowner,6 bales.This will leave the farmer with 12 bales for his expense and labor.12 bales times $25.00=$300.00
Not bad,he only has an out of pocket LOSS so far of $165.00,not counting equiptment.But wait,he must also provide hay and corn for her four animals,due to the small pasture acerage,there goes his 12 bales,possibly more.
His agreement with you seems similiar,except you have fewer animals.
If I have understood your posts correctly,we need a better description of the farmer than the all powerfull,overbearing"big cheese" you have described.Not sure what words to use to describe him,benevolent comes to mind for starters.
Did not mean this to be critical,just make sure you understand the agreement,and if it is as you describe,please take it just a little easier on us old farmers.
BTW,I've rambled on this far,may as well add a few more comments.He's having trouble with deer in this field and he is going to plant alfafa and clover?Thats the stuff that Bambis dreams are made of.
The nine acre field will be put to 'weed' this year?Hope you meant 'fallow' and not the 'weed' sold on street corners in little plastic bags.It would seem the only way he could get any money back on this lease arrangement.If fallow is not the correct word to describe the 'weeds'please feel free to NOT respond to this last paragrapth.

DJ    Posted 03-15-2002 at 10:32:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, we don't have the four animals, the last family had the four animals. We only have two horses whom we grain two to three times a day with our own money.

Now as I say, should he decide he doesn't want to mess with this, he need only give me reasonable notice and we will put more in pasture and buy winter supply of hay. I'm not that hard to get along with.

We aren't in california or canada so we can't grow hemp, which is ludicris.


Farmer-Gene-WI    Posted 03-15-2002 at 08:25:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Glad to hear things are working out. Don't be suprised if he's not happy go lucky all the time, if he's dairying he's got more problems than you can imagine, best cow down with milk fever, stepped on teat, mastitis, the list goes on & on some days he dreads going to the barn, so if it seems like he kinda gruff remember he can be under alot of stress. Farmers don't just have bad days they have bad weeks or months. I'm not making excuses for him but want you to understand somewhat. Before I climb off my soap box a couple of other things, that I think you're already finding out, Don't judge people based on other peoples opinions and be the kind of neighbor you would want them to be even if they're not. Welcome to the country and the best of luck.

DJ    Posted 03-15-2002 at 10:26:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Boy do I understand. Although we don't dairy farm, which was a self imposed decision on his part, I've experienced the school of hard knocks in ways I never thought I'd encounter, without even trying.

I'd say we all have our plates too full at times and I take all this into consideration.

I hope the first thing people understand about me is that I can be the best friend anyone could ask for, or I can be totally indifferent to anything around me.

I chose my reactions carefully.


Thanks for the great advice.

kraig WY    Posted 03-15-2002 at 06:46:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know. I think I would check around. The normal rate just about everywhere, is someone hays anothers field for half. That counts the hayer maintaining of the field. You figure the interest on a hay field and the price of hay, that's a fair deal. He might tell you about the cost of haying and maintance but compair that with the interest your paying on the hay field and he's still getting buy on half.

Redbelly1    Posted 03-15-2002 at 05:00:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good approach, DJ.

Dave CO    Posted 03-15-2002 at 04:57:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Comming from a city boy that worked farms in the summer as a kid, and moved back to a farm after my own kids grew up a bit, I want to say WAY TO GO!!! The "second chance" you offered to this neighbor is sure to be the start of a wonderful long term friendship. It has already started to pay off. As my friend told me, "as soon as you acquire a taste for eating crow ( biting your lip and not uncorking on him the first time) and you see how it pays off, you will for ever more order crow for your main course"! Best advice ever offered to me!
I have found that many are resentful of new commers, and form opinions quickly.

DJ ;0)    Posted 03-15-2002 at 10:18:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well indeed you are right.

I was thrown a loop during our first couple of tele encounters and felt it best to kindly think about what we talked about and sleep on the matter till I get my duckies lined out.

To me, it's not the money. I realize this is foremost in peoples minds. It's a principle of sharing. In this instance, the farmer doesn't have to find another route to his crop land. He can take three forths of the yield for his cows, and we make wonderful friends.

This means more to me then money.

By golly, I would have bought a seven thousand dollar tractor before I would have paid a cent for year old hay.


rhudson    Posted 03-14-2002 at 20:30:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi DJ,

I think it may be human nature to feel "guarded" toward a "group" of people but to like the individual.

He probably grouped you (new comer, yupp, invader, whatever) once talk begins, most normal people will moderate.

The hay deal can be more complicated than most people could imagine. with varing chemical cost, fuel, long term investment in minerals (lime, fertilizer) seeding, gambling on weather, etc.

either way, you're probably going to have to deal with each other in some way or another for a long, long time.

Hogman    Posted 03-14-2002 at 19:38:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like Your well on the way to better days,thats great.
Ever thought about goin into politics?

Mudcat49    Posted 03-14-2002 at 19:34:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like you got things taken care of and made a friend in the process. As for the deer and turkey. Need help in keeping them under control?

DJ ;0)    Posted 03-14-2002 at 19:51:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
A story the past owner told me...........

She came home and the turkey were thick in the pasture.

The pasture is pretty close to the back door.....

She picked up a stone and tossed it at them.........

the leader of the flock began to charge her and the rest of the flock followed the leader..........

she ran into the house and looked out the window and (laugh) shouted to them; "ya'll get off my land"! LOL

I would have loved to be a forensic criminal investigator. I hate politics. ;-)

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