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Pledge of Allegiance Court Case, round II?
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dogbardave    Posted 06-15-2004 at 12:19:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not likely...from the 9th Circuit...at least anytime soon.

Read the article below.

Good news!

The plaintiff's daughter goes to school just south of Sacramento.


Burrhead    Posted 06-15-2004 at 12:47:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
DogBarkingDave is that the same Mr Scalia5 that decided to stay on the CheneyBurton duck hunter case??

Looks like he pretty well picks which cases don't pay him as well before he chooses to recuse himself.

That story don't tell near as much about our court system defending religion as it does about a crooked judge using the court to defend his pocketbook.


ron,ar    Posted 06-15-2004 at 16:37:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
we have had several supreme court judges bail out on major cases lately, don't ever remember seeing this in my lifetime.


Burrhead    Posted 06-15-2004 at 17:06:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
yeah but why does this Scalia5 judge recuse himself from a certified rightwing/pagan issue, and on the other hand keep himself on the CheneyBurton defense league???

From his action he has put CheneyBurton to the head of the line.


steve19438    Posted 06-15-2004 at 16:19:43       [Reply]  [Send Email]
can't seem to remember. who appointed a. scalia???


~Lenore    Posted 06-15-2004 at 16:55:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
President Ronald Reagan


dogbarddave    Posted 06-15-2004 at 16:03:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
I thought the article was more about the chances of success of the pledge being challenged anytime soon.


Burrhead    Posted 06-15-2004 at 16:46:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I guess it could be taken from that point of view too.

Do we really need to have any judge's permission to recognize God??



Burrhead    Posted 06-15-2004 at 17:37:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
oh I think it will get alot worse before it gets better too.

I get confused sometimes that as christians we will let a pagan system run over our religious right.

Just because the pagan is demanding his right to no religion does not mean to me that I do not have the right to a religious belief myself.

My thinking is the pagan should not recieve all the protection allowed by a law while the christian recieves no protection under that same law.


dogbardave    Posted 06-15-2004 at 23:29:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
...the problem is...or one problem is...that the constitution doesn't protect Christianity, per se, and it shouldn't sanction it as the official government religion...I don't think that was the intent of the founders.

However, I do think that it was a cultural Christianity...the religiosity, if you will, that coated our culture way back then...and probably up until the 1970's--80's.?

Many of the founding fathers were not Christians as evangelical Christians would define them, but deists, or just sympathetic, not opposed to Christianity. Considering what they had been rebelling against (government-sanctioned religion), the amount of influence Christianity had in government was inconsequenctial...they hardly noticed it, or if they did, it was just "what you did," and it was no big deal.

What we are seeing is the intepretation of this separation taken to the extreme...not taking into account the historocity of Christianity in our County's formation. I think the article made mention that one of the judges is ok w/this historocity of the faith.

I would be happy to have this cultural Christianity, where the faith has been recognized as a building component in our country and not erased for the cause of "separation of church and state." That to me smacks of heavy-handed control..communism...scarey.

It's easy to carry on on this board and complain, or complain to this or that organization and say "why can';t you stop this?"

I think the answer is that we're busy living our lives (working, raising kids, etc.) , while the other side is busy employed in destroying our faith to bring out about their "salvation"... socialism and equality...equality--except for those that don't agree with them, or for those that have to make the money to pay for the programs, or for them (the leaders, who are above it all and are "more" equal.). It is a strong political force, and many people simply vote their pocketbook.

I think Christians also rely on God to work things out, and they believe in God working miracles...trusting in Him to do stuff is a big part of the faith. I think in the back of our minds, we think "God wins in the end."

...did I answer the question...really rambling hard there...


dogbardave    Posted 06-15-2004 at 17:22:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Of course not, and I know you know the issues surrounding this case.

I was just relieved that this attack on historical Christianity was doused...at least for now.

Seems like this anti-God attack is pretty popular...did you hear the results of the tiny cross taken out of City of LA's logo? The City caved due to cost (and more, no doubt)

However, I believe some other non-Chrisitian diety is allowed there...just like the goddess Minerva (?) on the CA state seal. You can bet $5.00 that if there were a cross on there, it'd be attacked 50-kabillion times.

Ann Coulter is right...the libs hate Christianity period. They are out to remove it from wherever it or its influence is found. This is different from "gee, religion is just not my thing." I see this as a dangerous and short-sighted trend.

But I bet you knew that too. :-)


You are kidding, right?..    Posted 06-15-2004 at 18:15:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
"the libs hate Christianity period. They are out to remove it from wherever it or its influence is found."

You are old enough to know before now that this is a fact...This can not be a 'profound revelation' to you...

I may be an Atheistic, Agnostic/Gnostic, Son of a, Melting-Pot Believeing, Not a 'Christian', Studier Of Theology, but...

Even I can see that the organized 'left' of the 'left-leaning' party is beyond reason in its hatred of ANY religion...Christianity just happens to be the flavour of the day...And not the last one on the list...

I commented elsewhere in another thread on this subject...



dogbardave    Posted 06-15-2004 at 23:10:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
...I thought it was you before I even read your "oops."

Perhaps, I'm a little slow...but the reason why:

*No broadcast TV in the house for lo, these past 6+ years, so I'm constantly out of the loop on FOX, NBC, ABS, PVC, and AOL.NET. and all their frothing and dramatic hand wringing over "whatever."

*We homeschool, so we don't get all that yadda, yadda, crapola that's often in public schools that's foisted on kids to destroy their innocence.

*I'm "accustomed" to people avoiding me because I'm "religous." Somehow, I have a cultural contageous "gangrene."
*Working in government where Christianity is an easy target...I just thought it was goverment or the government program I was in.

What I DIDN'T realize was the intensity and scope of the "hate" (using lib-speak) of the lib's policy. Or maybe, it was just a little by little thing, and I finally woke up.

And I really don't see them going after other religions. Maybe I'm miopic on that point...but have you ever seen Hollywood portray a Christian in a positive light? They're usually the hypocrytic/obsessive/controlling/crazed foil to the "hero" and any "spirit guide" in the story.

Coulter plainly stating it was helpful.

ok...and maybe I'm a little slow, but I've been busy. :-) raising a family and driving too much.


Opps...    Posted 06-15-2004 at 18:20:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
That were me...

And proud to say so...

Salmoneye, The Atheistic, Agnostic/Gnostic, Son of a, Melting-Pot Believeing, Not a 'Christian', Studier Of Theology


steve19438    Posted 06-15-2004 at 18:25:33       [Reply]  [Send Email]
huh????????????????????????????????????/


Burrhead    Posted 06-15-2004 at 19:35:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't pay no mind dats Salmon for ye. He's baptist


Ron,ar    Posted 06-15-2004 at 21:09:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
well, whatever he is..he is, I am sure of that much:^)


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