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REt    Posted 06-15-2004 at 17:19:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
you said you were still in the trade, so you must know the answer to this question. Two weeks ago here, two cars got into a race to get to where the road narrowed down to one lane. The driver of a late model Mustang had her 7 year old child with her and she lost control and hit a tree, killed them both. The driver of the other car had a near new Mercdes SUV, they got him by a witness to part of it. Last week the cops said they know how fast the two cars were going, but would not elaborate on it. I know that a few years ago Cadillac and Tbirds had black boxes in them, but do you know if most all the newer cars have them too? Anything you can tell us would be enlightening.

Ron,ar    Posted 06-15-2004 at 21:01:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry this is so late, I had concession duty at the little league field tonight. As others here have said, the technology is here, been here and moving at the speed of light. I work on mostly school buses now but the auto industry is leading the way, the medium/heavy trucks and buses are close behind. As early as 1998 I can look at the processor on most buses (autos also I am sure) and tell not only how fast it was going but how long the foot was on the brake, how long it stayed in each gear, how long it sat at idle and many other things.Going back to automobiles, when Ford first built their EEC-IV processor in 1988-1989 it had more capacity than most desktops even back then. A computer that can fire 8 spark plugs and trigger 8 electronic fuel injectors in sequential order thousands of times a minute while simoultaninously (sp) monitoring exhaust gas, fuel mixture,intake temp, intake pressure, barimetric pressure, ect ect can easily keep up with speed. Most all newer autos have done away with speedometer cables altogether and use an electronic speed sensor instead. It's a whole new ball game,newer mechanics, no, make that technicians, that specialize in advanced engine control systems can name their oun price, up to 100 grand a year. 50,000 a year is commonplace. I am getting too old for this, can't keep up. Sorry for the loss of life there, it's tragic.

TO35    Posted 06-15-2004 at 18:27:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Almost every vechile since 1990 has a(black box) its the vechile's ECM (computer) it's capiable of over 100,000 computations a sec. it a lot of cases faster than your pc....all the data contained in it will tell you most anything you want to know, speed, braking, throttle position, air bag deployment and a zillion other things. The newest vechiles that have onstar can actually send that data as you drive down the road and they know your exact location and everything that happens. Even if your check engine light comes on as your driving it can be diagnoised as you drive just by pressing the onstar button and talking to a rep.
This data can be a touchy subject to some, some call it an invasion of privacy, but the other argument is driving is a privilage issued to you by your state dmvs, thus anything you do while driving is pertinent to state law and you can be held the future I see where they will even be able to "switch you off" while your driving....techinology is here now...just a matter of time before something happens to impliment it....

TO.....who is waiting to see what the future holds..

deadcarp    Posted 06-15-2004 at 18:57:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
yup be careful of words like that. The first drivers were free - free from licenses, insurance fees, legal costs, all that big-bizzness stuff - confined only by their own imagination. Then the first accident happened. Suddenly enter the term "privilege" and our former freedom has been lining everybody's pocket ever since. Freedoms are hard to kill, but privilege paints targets on them.

Burrhead    Posted 06-15-2004 at 17:46:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
when the adjuster from Allstates came out to check the 2000 Exploder at my house he took some sort of black box when he left.

He said it records everything and even records if the seatbelts were being used.

According to him all cars in America started using them when there was so many lawsuits against airbags.

toolman    Posted 06-15-2004 at 19:56:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
good reason to keep and fix the old stuff.

Burrhead    Posted 06-15-2004 at 20:06:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
That's why I keep patchin my 1991 diesel F350. It aint electrical and I don't want one that is.

When I looked under the hood on a 2003 it looked like something Mr Edison built.

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