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Price of Drinking
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Screaminghollow    Posted 06-17-2004 at 07:29:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, this fellow went out to the VFW and had a few beers. For some reason, he figured he could just chug the last two before he left and make the one mile home before they hit his bloodstream. He made it about three blocks and ran off the road and hit a tree. The BAC was .265 % on a blood test at the ER. which means he was three and half times over the legal limit of .08%. The law at the time requires at least 48 hrs up to 2 years incarceration, fine, loss of driving license for 12 months, and probation. Standard probation rules prohibit possession of firearms and weapons while on probation, ie, no hunting. The court costs alone were $1,300, fine of $500, in addition to the 48 hours in jail. He also has to go to DUI school, another $500.00. This fella was 61 yr old and never had so much as a parking ticket. (I did persuade the judge to take the firearms prohibition out of the probation so the guy could still hunt.) A new change in the PA law would have required much stiffer penalties.

steve19438    Posted 06-17-2004 at 15:15:26       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i can't figure out what your point is here???? are you saying the drunk is a victum of the law or that he got his just reward????????????????? btw; just because he was drinking at a VFW doesn't make it right.

screaminghollow    Posted 06-17-2004 at 19:37:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
It is sad that the feller with an otherwise spotless record had to do jail time, because the state mandates a minimum prison term. I think 200 or 300 hours of community service followed by probation would have been more beneficial for the community and him. Now, I don't want to be hit by anyone, much less because the other guy voluntarily undertook to make himself dangerous behind the wheel. I dare say that if I ever get hit by a drunk and can still crawl, the drunk may sustain some mysterious additional injuries before others arrive. One of my college friends and his entire family were killed on Christmas Eve driving home from church when hit head on by a drunk.
Further, I didn't mean anything by referencing the VFW. Out in the country, here in PA, that is often the only social gathering place. (Although, that particular one has provided me with clients charged with DUI about once per year.) I live in a dry area of the county, no bars, not even beer and wine in restaraunts. Nearest legal bar is 10 miles north or 21 miles south in MAryland.

steve19438    Posted 06-18-2004 at 04:13:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
you near chambersburg????

Old John    Posted 06-17-2004 at 13:12:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi Y'all,

I've been a drinker all my life. I came from a German catholic Family. Dad would always take a drink. I never saw him take one drink too many.
He taught us boys, (I have 7 brothers younger than me),"If you take a drink, Act like a Man, not like a hog."
Man is s'pposed to control the drink, not the other way around. Moderation, in all things.

All of my brothers will"Take a drink". The trick is to know that that is enough.
I like a good beer, with my dinner. I'll go to a restaurant that serves such.
When we have company at home, for dinner, I'll offer a good homebrewed beer, or a glass of good wine. I LOVE to BREW.

I run a bit hyper, so about 35 years ago, my old doc prescribed a beer, or a whiskey, before I go to bed, in lieu of sleeping pills.
So, I have my shot of good Irish whiskey, or Canadian Club, & sleep like a baby. I haven't drank enough at one time to get really lightheaded in probably 25 or 30 years.

Now, Why would anyone begrudge a good man that? All men don't have the same weaknesses. Some do.
'Til Later.........
Old John

Les    Posted 06-17-2004 at 11:47:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
I figured out a long time ago that there was no future in drinking. Somebody was looking out for me for a while there. Of course times were different back then. There ain't no tolerance for that kind of stuff any more and there shouldn't have been back then.

Indydirtfarmer    Posted 06-17-2004 at 12:01:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I was a child of the 70's. I experimented with too many things that I'm not so proud of today. I drank every day. LOTS of drinking. Along in my mid 30's, I finally had enough. I just don't want anymore.
I must have had a good time........I don't remember much from about 1971, untill around 1982. Having children changed me forever.
I don't want to sound like a hypocrit, (sp), but I don't have much tolorance for drugs/alchohol anymore. I had my choice back then, and I took the wrong one. I don't give choices nowdays. My children don't fear me for much, but they know that if they were to show up at my house, with a buzz, they'de get ran the very least.
I don't want to "preach" to people that like their drink, I'm just giving you MY view of the picture. John

Jimmy    Posted 06-17-2004 at 11:15:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I say the heck with booze. Bring me a T-Bone instead.

EngineerJoyce    Posted 06-17-2004 at 10:41:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
What about the BASIC price of drinking? The tangential price of drinking with family troubles, people getting killed, etc. is immeasurable, but the BASIC price is measurable.

From my limited association with some guys who drink (co-workers)...
when a guy goes to drink at, say, a buddy's house. Takes his 12-pack and it lasts him 2 days at $7 (I really don't know, just guessing). He takes one day off per week, so that's around $20/week for beer. Multiply that by 4 weeks a month and that pays his car insurance for the month. Multiply that by the 52 weeks in a year and it essentially docks his pay by $1040 per year. with that money you could have remodeled the bathroom. Bought a new bedroom suit.

In only 4 years time, you could have bought a whole year of college tuition for your child. Or a used vehicle.

With only $20 per week more than your house payment (average $85/month), you can pay off your 30 year, 6.5% interest,$100,000 home loan more than 8 years earlier, and save over $40,000 in interest payments.

Same thing works with all our silly wants in life: smoking, soft drinks, clothes...
Why is that so hard for so many people to visualize?

Larry806    Posted 06-17-2004 at 09:57:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
The price went up around here also. Used to cost 2000 than 2500 . Young man my son knows just got caught Sat night Now it is 3200 You give it to SCUMBAG lawyer in CASH & you'll never be found guilty. I've hauled a couple guy's up to him & have saw the deal made

NO, NO, NO!!!    Posted 06-17-2004 at 11:31:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
You talk about a lawyer, like he's a disease. I'll lay you 100 to 1 odds, that if you were picked up for somethihng you didn't do, or at least claim you didn't do, or your kid was picked up, and you paid your money, and your kid or you went free, that lawyer would be a hero.
If lawyers are such rotten no good bums, just make sure you never ever ever hire one.
Don't forget, doctors also heal and cure killers!

Larry806    Posted 06-17-2004 at 12:24:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
THAT lawyer is lower than a disease. I didn't say all were And who else is in it with him??? Think maybe the judge get's some of the money???

Indydirtfarmer    Posted 06-17-2004 at 07:34:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
And don't forget the "hidden cost" involved in drinking. Marraiges, jobs, families, and lives are lost/destroyed by excessive drinking.
I'm not going to try to say I'm perfect, or that I don't ever drink, but there needs to be a sensable limit. Drinking makes those limits "disapear". JMHO, John

~lenore    Posted 06-17-2004 at 08:17:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
My ex had to take DWI classes during his DWI probation. ( not lessons on drinking)
In that class he was asigned to make two lists.
On one list he was to put every bad thing that happened to him due to drinking.
On the other list he was to put every really good thing that happened due to drinking.
He showed me his list;
there was nothing on the good list, but quite a few thingson the bad list.
As soon as his probation was over and he started drinking again,
he just forgot about the lists.

screaminghollow    Posted 06-17-2004 at 10:02:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
My dad was a "T-totaller' never had a drop. But I grew up in a Pa German extended family, in which kids were allowed a sip or two early on. Fortunately, I didn't develop a problem, and truthfully, very few of my siblings or cousins ever did, (37 cousins) I have a very stict rule which serves well, never more than one drink a day away from home and no drinking at home until after all the possible driving and machine operation are finished. If I might have to go pick up one of the kids, I don't have anything until they are home again, (even if another parent is supposed to be driving.) You never know when a car breaks down, or an accident could happen.
I know there are others who can't help themselves for various reasons. I truly feel sorry for them, their families and their victims. However, I never met a drunk who didn't know he shouldn't be driving. Lack of ability to say no to a drink, has no bearing on getting behind the wheel.

deadcarp    Posted 06-17-2004 at 10:56:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
That's kinda where i'm at - you can drink all you want and drive all you want, but why on earth would anyone do both in that order? To me that's as dumb as a $10 hooker. I've seen enough kids get their heads squashed and limbs torn off by that kinda mentality - to start balancing the score i think drunk drivers should be shot in the crotch, then questioned. If they answer, shoot them again til they don't. There's no defense in the world to let an animal that stupid survive.

sober thought    Posted 06-17-2004 at 07:41:04       [Reply]  [No Email]

Clod    Posted 06-17-2004 at 11:02:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I used to drink beer,,But that is why I dont now.I got enough finnaly..I was hard to fill up.

Pitch    Posted 06-17-2004 at 15:38:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
I did a bit of drinking in my younger days. Today it would be called binge drinking then it was normal. Now days If people are coming over I have to go buy beer. We have probably 6 partial bottles of liquor in the house some of it probably being 20 years old. Just something I grew out of.

Clod    Posted 06-17-2004 at 16:24:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes,,but I nearly didnt grow out of it. A few times I liketa died at it.

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