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This is an Eagle Scout???
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Les    Posted 06-28-2004 at 16:43:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
The more I read of what this kid said, the stupider he got. I find his attitude to be incredible. His parents must be doozies.
And just when I thought there might be hope for this country.

Bkeepr    Posted 06-29-2004 at 07:31:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't know, could have been better could have been worse. Reminds me of a family I knew 40 years ago--all Eagle scouts, scholar athletes, parents active in their Church, etc. But once a year they'd host a party something like the one cited in the article.

"Mom" would meet kids at the door and collect car keys. Alcohol was ok, zero tolerance on drugs or sex...parents kept a discrete eye on things.

Nobody ever hurt, most of us grew up to be decent citizens (2/3s went to one Service Academy or other and served our Country well, others wound up doctors or honest lawyers). Feeling among some parents then was "kids are going to do it, so better they do it at a home under some adult supervision. Other kids I knew had similar parties, sneaking it with parents out of town, and wound up dead or as young parents themselves.

So, I guess we all slip up at times. The Scout oath (like West Point's honor code) is tough to live up to. In my opinion "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" applies here.

Tom A

Redneck    Posted 06-29-2004 at 02:39:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Everything in moderation. The law is too quick to be a Barney Fife this day and time. It's like because little Johnny had a rowdy party that evryone is going to have a rowdy party. I just don't agree with what happened. Control is the key.

ron,ar    Posted 06-28-2004 at 16:50:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
see reply on Tales:^)

Clod    Posted 06-28-2004 at 17:16:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you look at the Boy Scout Oath you wonder what has become of one swaring an oath in public has become.Look at the list of things they were taught and swore to abide by.

Clod    Posted 06-28-2004 at 17:26:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
On my honor . . .
By giving your word, you are promising to be guided by the ideals of the Scout Oath.


. . . I will do my best . . .
Try hard to live up to the points of the Scout Oath. Measure your achievements against your own high standards and don't be influenced by peer pressure or what other people do.


. . . To do my duty to God . . .
Your family and religious leaders teach you about God and the ways you can serve. You do your duty to God by following the wisdom of those teachings every day and by respecting and defending the rights of others to practice their own beliefs.


. . . and my country . . .
Help keep the United States a strong and fair nation by learning about our system of government and your responsibilities as a citizen and future voter.

America is made up of countless families and communities. When you work to improve your community and your home, you are serving your country. Natural resources are another important part of America's heritage worthy of your efforts to understand, protect, and use wisely. What you do can make a real difference.


. . . and to obey the Scout Law; . . .
The twelve points of the Scout Law are guidelines that can lead you toward wise choices. When you obey the Scout Law, other people will respect you for the way you live, and you will respect yourself.


. . . To help other people at all times; . . .
There are many people who need you. Your cheerful smile and helping hand will ease the burden of many who need assistance. By helping out whenever possible, you are doing your part to make this a better world.


. . . To keep myself physically strong, . . .
Take care of your body so that it will serve you well for an entire lifetime. That means eating nutritious foods, getting enough sleep, and exercising regularly to build strength and endurance. it also means avoiding harmful drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and anything else that can harm your health.


. . . mentally awake, . . .
Develop your mind both in the classroom and outside of school. Be curious about everything around you, and work hard to make the most of your abilities. With an inquiring attitude and the willingness to ask questions, you can learn much about the exciting world around you and your role in it.


. . . and morally straight.
To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.


Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:

Duty to God and country,
Duty to other people, and
Duty to self
DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your FAMILY and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.

Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country's good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.

DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you're needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.

DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength. Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.


Page updated on: March 07, 2004

Les    Posted 06-28-2004 at 17:36:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was hoping somebody would post that, Clod. Guess that pledge was just a bunch of words that don't really mean much to that young man.

Clod    Posted 06-28-2004 at 17:43:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
If I had a son ,I would prefer he become a Boy Scout.. The good I learned in my youth was a good deal influenced by the Scouts.

ron,ar    Posted 06-28-2004 at 18:22:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
I kept our young son in scouts all through cub scouts and he had some great leadership. When he advanced to boy scouts there was almost no leadership, the troop ran theirselfs and not exactly in the right direction either. The boy quit and got into baseball and the good old American sport-soccer.

Les    Posted 06-28-2004 at 18:50:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
I never was in the scouts, nor were any of my brothers. We were always too wound up in 4-H and being farmer's sons plus the leadership of the scouts left a whole lot to be desired.
There was a time about 25 or 30 years ago that there was a scout leader in town who, shall we say, led several boys astray. At least one of them is dead of AIDS. Others' lives are ruined.
How intolerant of me to say such a thing.

Clod    Posted 06-28-2004 at 18:31:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wel ,, Ron Ar..I kinda went from the Boy Scouts to the back alleys of Saigon..They called it culture shock.

ron,ar    Posted 06-28-2004 at 19:15:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Olongapo City for me...if America's mothers only knew....

Clod    Posted 06-28-2004 at 19:23:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
I dont know of that one,,But you might not want to explain here Ron.

Fawteen - Trust me!    Posted 06-28-2004 at 19:27:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've been to Olongapo (Stationed at Clark AFB in '70 and '71) and you do NOT want to explain that one here!


Clod    Posted 06-28-2004 at 19:42:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh yeah Phillepeans ,,Didnt stop by there myself.

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