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Sick and Dieing Goats
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RON STEVENS    Posted 03-30-2002 at 17:12:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Me and my wife have been raising goats for about 4 years. Most of our vets in the area either don't know anything about goats or don't want too. Our problem is over the past 4 months we have lost 3 of our goats. One day they are fine the next they appear to have a stomach ach and the next day they die. We are looking for any suggestions anyone might have.
THANK YOU


Donna    Posted 04-01-2002 at 14:37:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Do you treat for coccidiosis? Do your goats walk around in the feed bunks? Do you have chickens in with your goats? If so get them out your goats may have coccidiossis. The signs are Diarrhea with or without mucus or blood, dehydration, weakness, anorexia, and death, but some goats are actually constipated and die without diarrhea, stages and lesions are confined to the small intestines, they bleed to death in the body,
You need to get some test to know what you are dealing with, take some goat pellets {pop} let the vet tell you what it is.
My medical recommends these meds. Intestinal sulfonamides, {sulfaguanidine, sulfamerazine or sulfamethazine,and sulfaquinoxaline} If it is Coccidiosis?
Are you feeding your goats a lot of corn? a lot of Corn can cause bloat and kill a goat
It sounds like bloat, you need to have your feed checked, or change for a while, There are 3 different types of bloat in goats~
This came through one of my goat groups and I saved it, I will share it with you, Good Lunk

Bloat and water belly are two entirely different conditions.

Bloat is a build up of gas in the rumen. There are basically 3 types of
bloat, frothy bloat, grain bloat, and dry bloat.

Frothy bloat is caused by consumption of highly soluble proteins (like
alfalfa pasture, small grains, etc.). The rumen literally fills up with
millions of stable bubbles (froth). Using a trocar or sticking a tube down
their throat does not good for this type of bloat. Bloat Guard (trade name
for poloxalene)is a product that is labeled for cattle that prevents and
treats frothy bloat.

Grain bloat is caused by rapid production of gases by microbes digesting
grains. It often accompanies acidosis in the rumen. This type of bloat can
be effectively treated with a trocar or tubing. But of course the best
action is prevention.

Dry bloat is caused by an obstruction which prevents the animal from
erucating (belching). This could be a physical obstruction, a neural block,
etc. An example of dry bloat would be a downer cow (or goat) that is unable
to stand or raise it head and thus cannot eructate, causing a buildup of gas
(bloat). To treat this type of bloat you need to correct the obstruction.

Water belly is the build up of fluids in the underside. This is usually a
sign of a ruptured blatter or ureter associated with severe urinary stones.

Hope this answers your questions.

Here are some BLOAT BASICS from Doc (a minister not a Doc)

The "signs" of bloat are:

1. Rumen extended and tight (the rumen -- the first stomach which is
involved in the cud regurgitation and storage processes -- is located on the
left side of the goat's abdomen)
2. Off feed
3. Standing around
4. Head down
5. Depressed looking
6. Not belching -- if you'll listen, goats belch quite a bit
7. Not chewing cud
8. Normal rumen sounds absent (gurgling gastric sounds)
9. Grinding teeth

Late stages of bloat signs:

1. Goat in extreme distress
2. Loud crying
3. Gasping for Air
4. Darkened (blue) tongue
5. Goat is down

There are generally two types of bloat -- dry and frothy (or foamy)

Dry bloat is the accumulation of excess free gas in the rumen often caused by
overeating of grain.

Frothy (or foamy) bloat is where the contents of the rumen emulsify, becoming
foamy with the consistency of whipped egg whites. Gas is trapped in the
foam. This form of bloat can be caused by over-consumption of lush pasture
or rich legume hay.

Why does bloat kill and kill quickly?

The rumen expands to the point that it compresses the abdominal blood
vessels, heart, and lungs. The rumen is like a fermentation vat -- it
naturally produces gas -- too much gas produced too quickly can compress the
esophagus preventing normal belching. Death typically occurs from
respiratory failure.

In the early stages, massaging, walking, drenching with mineral oil (1 to 2
cups), and removal of grain feeds may avert disaster.

In the late stages, the use of a stomach tube, proloxalene, and massaging to
help reduce gas.

In the desperate stages, puncturing the rumen through the skin in the center
of the usually hollowed out area 3 to 5 inches behind the last rib (depending
on the goat). The instrument used is called a trocar which accomplishes the
puncture and allows for gas to escape. This is a last hope medical procedure
when all else has failed. I've never done this one, but my vet did it on one
of my kids last year. Unfortunately, she died a few moments after the
puncture. In the absence of a trocar, a sharp instrument can be used and a
tube inserted -- puncturing the hide and rumen is harder than you'd think.

In some of the material I've read, goats who've had their rumens punctured
have a high risk of infection and may never fully recover to what we'd
consider a "thrifty and productive" status in the herd.

Although I don't have a ready-resource on this, I'm quite sure that an animal
who's had a very high fever is more susceptible to bloat due to the loss of
healthy bacteria in their rumen. That's why we always use something like
Probios following fevers or the administration of strong antibiotics.
Probios is a healthy paste of "good" bacteria and other ingredients that
help stabilize the digestive process.

Disclaimer: Having written this, I want to make sure that the readers know
that I am a minister, not a vet. When in doubt, call your vet. While
experience is a great teacher, I am certainly no expert.


george    Posted 03-05-2008 at 20:19:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i been having these problem for ovr two years. the kid born very healthy and after 2month onward they beging to swell or have their belly hanging near the ground.
i dont know what to use to solve this problem


theresa    Posted 07-30-2003 at 05:46:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have two pygmy goats, One of them recently had surgery due to stones. Since then, I have one lonely goat sho is crying continuously. We sit with him and give him lots of attention. He stills cries. Now I am wondering if he is lonely or also sick. They are only 12 weeks old and we are new goat owners. Any feed back is appreciated.

Thanks
Theresa


Rhea    Posted 11-19-2002 at 16:30:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i have kinder goats die of coccidiosis and know i am doing a research project on it. would you say that if you have chickens in a pin next to the goats or have pigeons in a tree above there pin can be a factor in contracting the disease. or what do u belive is the initial career of the disease and do they only contracted it by eating the fecal matter.


Becky    Posted 03-30-2002 at 18:02:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Do you let them graze or do you have them in pens and hand feed? There are some toxic weeds that are deadly to goats. They usually won't eat them, unless there is nothing else to eat.
I'll try to get more answers for you tomorrow.


Judy in IN    Posted 03-30-2002 at 18:29:44       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Do you have baking soda out free choice? This helps keep them from bloating. If you've had them for 4 years, I assume that you're familiar with coccidia. Have you rotated wormers lately? Do they cough? (pasturella) Can you give any symtoms?
(other than death)


David    Posted 10-25-2005 at 07:03:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Help. I'm new to raising animals. I came home last night to a dieing goat. I have four Nubien/Saen (sp?) goats. Three wethers and one female. All approx one year old. The female of the group was lying down, throwing up and obviously had direhea. Yesterday all the goats seemed healthy but I noticed they hadn't eaten. The female goat died after few hours.
I feed them alfalpha and four oat grain. The goats did get into the checken feed, moslty egg layer pelets, a few days ago. I cleaned the stall this weekend and sprayed the inside parmieter of the barn for mites with Sevens inceticide. I did not let the animals in the barn until it had dried.
I removed the dead female and cleaned the stall, changed the water and feed, but this morning no one had touched the food.
What should I do? What do you think happened?


janell    Posted 07-22-2006 at 21:35:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Did you know that azeala bushes are toxic to all goats ? A vet can save them if discovered soon enough. If not the heart will stop


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