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Martha got 5 months.
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Alias    Posted 07-16-2004 at 08:26:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
But many of her investers lost a lot of money. They should have set her free and just taken her wealth for redistribution to the ones that lost. That would have been in line with the hell Saddam Hussein is living.

What is it with people that go power mad and lose all sight of what's right or wrong? .......gfp


Dieselrider    Posted 07-17-2004 at 04:50:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
I haven't followed this whole thing very close but, from what I understand the only real crime she committed was to lie under oath. Our last president did that in front of the whole country and was not locked up for one minute. Yes it is wrong and perhaps she should do the time but, how can we have any faith in a judicial system that only offers justice for some? Maybe the Pledge of Aliegiance should be changed to "and justice for some" or "justice for a few but, not all". Something is just not right in this whole thing. Maybe the judge doesn't have matching linens and felt threatened.


Mike in tn    Posted 07-16-2004 at 14:41:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I really didn't think that she would get a day out of it. Not that I don't think that she should have. I just figured that she had too much power and influence. I can understand why that she thought she could lie under oath and get by with it. Seems like that happened not too long ago. Maybe she didn't ask the right questions, like it depends on what the definition of "is" is. I think the judges and government in general has taken alot of flack over that deal. Think that they thought they had better give old Martha a little slap on the wrist at least to set an example. How else are they going to give us common folks 10 to 20 years for commiting 1/10 the crime that she did.
Mike



Les    Posted 07-16-2004 at 09:55:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
How would you compare what she got to what the woman in this story got? I think the latter got the rod run to her.


Dennis    Posted 07-16-2004 at 09:14:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
It seems a few of us are Jealous cause Martha has "made it" and we have not.

She might have done wrong but she was only doing what we all do "Trying to protect what is ours".
albit in an illegal manner.

She has been tried and convicted and will pay for her crimes but to "Gloat" is a sign of imaturity and high school behavior


~Lenore    Posted 07-16-2004 at 10:04:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
I do not think she should spend a day in jail.
I think 2 or 3 years of community service would be better.
I think sentencing her to working in shelters and soup kitchens helping the needy learn how to do things that could change their lives would benefit society much more than her spending five months in prison.
Do you feel safer knowing she will be in prison five months?
Will you be afraid when she is released?
I think prison is a waste of a very talented person,
whose talent could be used to help others.


Ron/PA    Posted 07-16-2004 at 10:51:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
I really can't attest to her talents, and even if they are wasted I don't think it will impact me.
What I do object to is having to support her while she's in prison. Let her pay her way in the world of really needy people. Help a crippled child, assist an elderly couple, pay some vets script bills. Whatever it takes to make it a punishment for her, but don't clog the prison system so that violent criminals, or dope dispensing scumbags can't be housed.
As to her crime, she was convicted of lying to prosecutors,,,, I really doubt that I'd be willing to lay the books open to someone out to put me in jail. I don't know the lady, never watched her on tv, but it sure seems to be a bit of class envy, just bring down someone that made good for themselves.
Bill Gates better have eyes in the back of his head.
Ron/PA


L    Posted 07-16-2004 at 08:36:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Her sentence is unbelievable. Five months prison, five months house arrest, and $30,000 fine.

If it were me or you it would be years not months. It would be hundreds of thousands in fines not $30k.

I hope she enjoys prison. She can't hang anything on the walls of her cell though. That will drive her nuts.


sam    Posted 07-16-2004 at 10:51:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
she shouldn,t have gotten anything untill Ken Lay is behind bars for life. his sentance won,t be any more than peanuts. He is a thief


Burrhead    Posted 07-16-2004 at 11:22:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah but if Ken Lay falls then BushInc/CheneyBurton will have to fall too.

I would'nt think the Scalia5 is gonna let Unca Dick nor Scrub be brought up.

I've tried to keep up with Martha's plight and personally think she has been railroaded. Her BIG crime was not anything to do with lying to the court. Her BIG crime was trying to protect what she has worked for. Worked being the key word. Something the folks who condemned her never understood.

If lying in court were the issue then why were charges not filed for perjury against the chief witness and the lead detective??

When you wanna see some goofy sentences look at the case of Andrew and Lea Fastow of the world famous Enron/CheneyBurton fiasco. Both of the Fastows pled guilty to stealing, stock manipulation, and tax evasion.

Lea gets one year and hubbie Andrew gets ten years.

Lea has started her sentence here in Houston but Andrew does'nt have to start his hard time until she gets back from the pen because they don't want their children to be punished by not having a parent at home to raise them properly. Who could teach them loopholes and stealing if Ma&Pa are not around seems to be the main argument.

Everyone of the culprits in the Enron case including BushInc/CheneyBurton are nothing more than common thieves but the highest court in our land is also a duck hunting friend of one or both of the highest crooks so I imagine the 2 main thieves will walk free.



PDB    Posted 07-17-2004 at 15:12:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Robert Rubin and Bubba Clinton would be joining them.


RN    Posted 07-16-2004 at 17:16:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Burrhead: interesting comments- how about instead of inside tip on stock, inside tip on livestock/ beef futures? Instead of false statements to federal agent- how about losing records/can't find records until day after statute of limitations for prosecution expires? Martha gets 5 months for not making deal to avoid trial, will be object lesson for others prosecuters want to intimidate. Fastow goes to jail, so did Tucker, see who gets a pardon later. Just to keep you balanced. RN


Burrhead    Posted 07-16-2004 at 17:37:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
aw they probly won't hafta lose any paper work. as short as the average memory is on such matters everybody will be forgot about it by the time any legal probs come up.

Some folks already forgot that Arbusto and Enron


RN    Posted 07-16-2004 at 18:56:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Burrhead: Anybody out your way remember a Jim Wright? Something about telling bank examiners to NOT shutdown a bank operation making doubtful, somewhat politically connected loans? Billy Sol Estes- LBJ aquaintance who got farm operating loans secured by nitrate tanks? About 4 different loans on same tank? Then there's Waco, how many dead over a unpaid $200.00 tax stamp? folklore- Elephants have longer lasting memories than Donkeys(J*****S)?. RN


Burrhead    Posted 07-16-2004 at 19:12:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't recall Jim but I remember when the Mexican that ran for Gov last time did the same thing, can't think of his danged name right now.

we still have the same mess in Texas today. Political parties both use the same money making formulas. The last time was the Bush boyz and the savings and loan scandels that Pappy covered up while he was duh Prez.

I did'nt lose anything but it was kinda scarey on my eighty five cent til they paid it back.


RN    Posted 07-16-2004 at 19:31:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Burrhead: as long as you keep your sense of humor about politics, and vote the lesser of the evils- you can survive. With that warning-is the opossite of 'rightwing' politician 'leftwing' or 'wrongwing' politician? Fledermaus back to work. RN.


Burrhead    Posted 07-16-2004 at 23:41:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
yeah I agree. I have voted in every national election since I turned 21. Have'nt ever been party loyal to either side.

I had 2 tours in the Army and was on orders for a Korean vacation before I was of age to vote.

I vote for who I think will do the most good for all people.

This election leaves me with nobody to vote for, but I'll vote anyway.



Personally, I think    Posted 07-16-2004 at 08:42:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
she's already nuts. It has been reported that she has lost several hundred million. But, that report might be what her company has lost and a lot of that money belonged to shareholders.

I don't know how she could be so wrapped up in her own ego as to not be affected by her down fall. Of course, she's still got more money than she will ever need. ......gfp


JB    Posted 07-16-2004 at 11:49:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Personally, I think she was sentenced for being a female who 'made it'! Some them good ole boys can't stand that, regardless if she wore britches with suspenders and chewed Red Man! Not trying to start no fight, just the way I've seen it from the beginning. And, incidentally, I don't even like Martha, but that don't keep me from seeing what's what.


RichG    Posted 07-16-2004 at 11:59:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just one question? How much did it cost tax payers to prosecute Martha. And was the cost worth it. Her following is still big and from what the papers are saying getting bigger. So in five months when she gets out and does her redecorating prison specials, she will make it all back. And do not compare her to Mr. Lay what she did is very small in comparison.


JB    Posted 07-16-2004 at 16:12:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
You got a point!


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