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BS gov't regs
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screaminghollow    Posted 04-02-2002 at 18:15:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just got a news letter from the local conservation district. They annouced a new gov't red tape program. Starting this spring, if anyone "disturbs over 5,000 square feet of earth," they have to have an erosion control plan filed with the county. Now I have seen my share of sloppy excavation in which runoff carries half the soil down the road and into the nearest storm drain, BUT, this applies to me rototilling my garden. 60feet x 150 feet equals 9,000 sqare feet. Ugh, I can be cited and fined each time I till my garden??? What a bureacratic crock of SHXX. Imagine all the old timers and Amish who could get fined just because some bureaucrat got PO'ed because he plowed a field, without filing a plan first. People's republic of Pennsylvania...


Denise    Posted 04-02-2002 at 20:53:59       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I might have agreed had we not just visited the Coweeta Hydrological labs. They have been testing the effects of just that type of disturbance since the 30's. After seeing the long term damage and just how long it will take to recover I think they are on the right path - it has to start somewhere. We have had a silt fence in place since we started work here.. Maybe that is all they will ask you to do - and think of all that rich soil you will be saving...


Tom A    Posted 04-03-2002 at 04:02:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
No way!

This kind of bureaucratic nonsense only justifies government jobs. It doesn't save a doggone thing, not soil, not water, and certainly not tax money.

A 'good' farmer (and *most* are) saves the soil through good farming practices anyway. They don't need the government dictating how and what to do. The dirtbag farmer (like the dirtbag builder) will get his/her "plan" done, and continue to do whatever he/she wants. This is just a paperwork drill taking up time and money to make some folks feel good, and will return zilch.

Maryland imposed a similar kind of nonsense "environmental protection" law requiring manure management plans. Any farmer who grosses more than $2,500 a year (that ain't much) or owns more than 7 'animal units' must have one prepared. Doesn't matter what you produce--a beekeeper with a little bit of pasture selling some honey and hay needs a manure management plan! What a bunch of manure...and this PA law is the same.

As Nancy Regan said: "Just say NO!"
Tom A


Hogman    Posted 04-04-2002 at 04:04:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Tom how does that BEE manure work in tha garden? Seems like it would make tha taters taste real sweet. Could Ya still make sour krout outta cabbage fertalized with tha stuff?
Outta write tha EPA'n ask em if Theys ever run any test on tha subject.


Tom    Posted 04-05-2002 at 04:09:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Took me *forever* to teach 'em to go over the fields...they used to look for newly-washed cars and clothes on the line and manure them up.

I wanted to teach 'em to go over the MD statehouse, but it's a little too far to expect 'em to fly while they're "holding it." :-)


Donna    Posted 04-02-2002 at 20:31:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
I would not studder when I tell them to kiss my a--!


Bandit    Posted 04-02-2002 at 20:07:59       [Reply]  [No Email]

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/025/chapter102/s102.5.html

102.5
seems like an exemption for farming.
Check it out, maybe i'm reading wrong....


Gotta agree here    Posted 04-02-2002 at 19:32:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
PA Code 102.1+
Read the PA Code(link) and have to agree,No exemption shown for gardening or Ag operations.Guess the little old ladies with large flowerbeds will be hiring an erosion specialist(required)to do their plans too.I can understand the problem with new developements,logging operation,roadbuilding etc but whoever drafted this one suffers from serious cranial-rectal inversion syndrom!


Ira    Posted 04-03-2002 at 03:55:00       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Cranial-rectal inversion syndrome must be epidemic amongst Pa. bureaucrats.Never knew it had a fancy name tho, I just thought they had their heads stuck up their ****. :^)


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