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Water pump troubles???
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Blaine    Posted 07-28-2004 at 05:45:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hello evereyone, I was hoping someone here could help me find the solutions to the water troubles I am having at my summer cottage. When I returned in the spring to turn the water on I noticed a split on the pump housing and since replaced the old pump with a new one.After installing the new pump it runs itermitenlly on/off.The pump will run every 10 mins for 11 seconds and shut off.The most obvious reason to me was that there was a leak under the cottage or possibly a leaky /faulty foot valve..Well there are no leaks and I have changed the foot valve twice. I have also purchased a new blader.So I basically have a new system!! The pump is a half horsepower shallow well jet pump and I draw the water from the lake wich is only 20 feet away on a straight incline. Are there any ideas on what I should try next before I call a plumber..$50 an hour around here, OUCH!! so i am really trying to avoid that route as much as possible..Thanks in advance for all your help..Blaine

Lazy Al    Posted 07-28-2004 at 13:48:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
A split in the pump casing ? sounds like it froze and cracked the pump so if it did in fact freeze It probably froze a pipe and put a crack in it some place .It must be a small pressure tank if it pumps up in 11 sec . I would look ferther for a leaking pipe .

tim in pa    Posted 07-28-2004 at 08:32:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
if i understand your symptoms, your problem could be:
1. a leak in your pvc(?) lines to the foot valve. you can put your ear on casing and listen for spraying.
2. leaking pitless adapter (connection where lines from house meet casing) if you have one. again listen for spraying.
3. if no casing, direct burial, gently poke steel rod into soil along the line to see if water shoots up.
4. faulty pressure switch, (pump) cut-in/cut-out should be around 30 psi and 50 psi respectively. you can verify this on a water pressure gauge.
5. check everywhere you have water pipes for a leak

bladder pressure should be slightly higher then the cut-in pressure, this keeps the bladder from bottoming out on the tank, and a more uniform pressure. measure/adjust this on the schraeder valve on top of the tank, only after you have bled the water pressure off at the tank port manifold by switching (or valving) off your pump and draining the water pressure at a sillcock or opening a faucet.

Bob/Ont    Posted 07-28-2004 at 06:42:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
If your pump comes on and only runs 11 sec it didn't take much water to bring the pressure up. I think you need more air pressure(volume) behind the bladder.
Later Bob

Blaine    Posted 07-28-2004 at 07:37:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks for the replies. The new bladder I purchased was pre charged to 28 psi.Should i increase it a few more psi? Also , should i do this while the pump is running or while it is silent, or does it matter? Thanks, Blaine

toolman    Posted 07-28-2004 at 10:04:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
blaine, drain the water out off your tank , and then check the air pressure in it(turn your pump off for this)precharge from the store doesn,t always mean it is accurate,if it,s good then fine if not fill it to the recommended air pressure , then turn on the pump,if it still acts up check your pionts or contacts on the control switch, sometimes when they are going or aren,t set right it will also act up , you can sometimes try and clean them up but its is best to change the control switch out, make sure you sut off the power before doing this though, not a skilled job as theres only a couple of wires to diconnect and reconnect, should drain the system for the winter to prevent from freezing , i assume that is what cracked your casing , best off luck.

Bob/Ont    Posted 07-28-2004 at 09:15:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know Blain, there should be instructions on it, telling you the pressure to charge it to, with no water in it, for the pressure range of your system. Too much pre charge and you will not get enough water into it, too little and your pump will start everytime you draw off a glass of water.
Later Bob

VADAVE    Posted 07-28-2004 at 08:35:33       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Last time we had a problem like this we were told to shut the pump off and drain the tank with the air valve open. This would put the right amount of air in the tank so that sufficient air pressure would develop. Course we didn't have a new bladder.

Steve from TN    Posted 07-28-2004 at 07:14:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like an air problem to me too.

Clod    Posted 07-28-2004 at 17:32:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think he said a plumber gets 50 dollars an hour up there. Does he wear a mask?

toolman    Posted 07-28-2004 at 17:40:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
bandits everywhere clod, no bad about the 50 bucks an hour, it,s that it takes them 4 hrs, to do a hr, job.

Clod    Posted 07-28-2004 at 19:10:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh nice.. We need to get another act..50 bucks an hour for a job a child can do.

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