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OK...Now aint that just fun...
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Salmoneye    Posted 07-29-2004 at 11:52:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Long and deep...But I found it interesting...And depressing and angering and a host of other emotions...

Told you guys I hang out at some weird places when I am not here...


Battleborn    Posted 07-29-2004 at 18:14:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Very interesting, and also absolutely false (most of it anyway). Sorry, I'm a microbiologist by education, and a skeptic at heart.
Mycoplasma are similiar to bacteria without a cell wall. They can't be "extracted" from a bacterium, and they are not "particles of DNA". They are a common pathogen, but they surely are not the cause of CFS and AIDS.
Cheers,
Paul.


Salmoneye    Posted 07-30-2004 at 04:40:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks...

While I am doubtful of the 'weaponization' of mycoplasma, there is compelling evidence that they (it) are indeed found disproportionately in patients with the listed diseases...

http://www.cfsresearch.org/mycoplasma/

"Mycoplasma fermentans, M. pirum, M. hominis, and M.penetrans
Mycoplasma fermentans, M. pirum, M. hominis, and M. penetrans have been proposed as human pathogens and possible cofactors in HIV infection. These organisms may contribute to the variation in the time from infection with HIV to the development of AIDS symptoms."

"Although mycoplasmas are recognized primarily as extracellular parasites or pathogens of mucosal surfaces, recent evidence suggests that certain species may invade the host cells."

http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com/html/mycoplasma.html

I am really interested in your take on this!...

Thanks again,




Battleborn    Posted 07-30-2004 at 06:36:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is a good question.
Here is a common problem with the relationship between pathogens and immunosuppressive diseases. If you become immunosuppressed, you are more likely to become a victim of organisms that do not cause disease in nomal people. (thrush in AIDS patients and chemotherapy patients is an example).
In the example you quoted, the relationship between mycoplasma infection and full-blown AIDS is cited. So...does that mean the mycoplasma is causing the progression to accelerate, or are the patients becoming infected because they are developing full-blown AIDS earlier for some other reason. That is not an answerable question scientifically. There are many factors that effect the speed of progression of HIV (strain of virus, multiple strain of virus, mutated virus, general health when infected, treatment options available etc.).
The same question could be asked of Candida albicans. Since HIV patients develop thrush - especially when they are progressing in their disease- they will have Candida albicans in their body. Does that mean the Candida albicans is causing the progression, or that the organism gets a better chance at causing disease because the progression is taking place.
The common sense answer is the bugs are there because of the disease-caused immunosuppression, but that doesn't mean common sense is correct.
Speaking of - gotta go play with the bugs now.
Cheers,
Paul


Thanks again!    Posted 07-30-2004 at 08:06:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am really interested and will be doing some more reading over the weekend...

Salmoneye,


Battleborn - LONG    Posted 07-30-2004 at 00:08:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Fungi are not bacteria, and they do have a cell wall. Fungi include molds, yeasts and a half-breed known as dimorphic fungi that can act like both mold and yeast. Most fungi are harmless or mildly pathogenic unless the host is immunosupressed. Common fungal diseases include athlete's foot, thrush. The uncommon ones are nastier.
Lyme disease is caused by a class of organisms called spirochetes - specifically borellia. Spirochetes also cause relapsing fever.
There is a lot of trash on the web. If you want information on any of the following, I would get it from journals or the CDC website or someone who specializes in treating the specific disease.
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, yeast-causing syndromes, lyme disease, autoimmune disorders, toxic mold, Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
Unfortunately, there are many with these diagnoses that are, well, full of crap. They take lousy research or anecdotal information and spew it as fact. The people listening to them are desperate and latch on to to anything because their conditions can't be cured and often can't even be proven as existing.
It is interesting to me that when science fails to cure, people turn to others that also can't be cured (and are peeved at medicine for it) for their information. The website I was referring to was a perfect example. The guy doesn't even know the basic biology of the bugs he is spouting opinion on. How could he possibly judge others research and form a conclusion?
Here's another example of how wierd this stuff gets.
A woman came into the lab last week. She had been on the Atkins diet for 16 weeks, and THE BOOK said her cholesterol and triglyceride should go down. Hers had risen by about a third, to over 500 for both, and she didn't believe it. Just to be sure, we ran it again. Same answer. Her parting comment to the pathologist was "You people don't know what you are doing, I know your machine is screwed up."
Sorry for the rant, but this stuff really yanks my chain.
Adios,
Paul.


SusieQ    Posted 07-30-2004 at 03:53:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good observations.....about testing blood, and some of these crazy diets out there, america is way overweight! No excerise, and even crazier, is the fact that school seat/desk mfgrs...are having to build bigger desks for kids, as their weight gain is awful...obesity brings on so many other symptoms, stress on back, hips, legs, heart, lungs, and becoming a Diabetic, which must have a diet to conform to keep blood sugars down to norms to live a decent life. Enjoyed this post.


Kellyb    Posted 07-29-2004 at 20:02:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Paul,
Is not the definition of fungus.. bacteria without
a cell wall? I am very interested in this subject
matter as I have ongoing health sit.. that I
suspect a couple of things.. one being Lyme
diseasessss


Yup    Posted 07-29-2004 at 16:53:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
do a search on "chemtrails" him says(sealing the bunker)


Yessir...    Posted 07-29-2004 at 14:15:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
It does at that...

I think I have a new pet project...One to go along with my official job of debunking all conspiracy theories when I see them...Except the ones I myself buy into or start, of course...

Salmoneye,


Reply For TO!!!    Posted 07-29-2004 at 14:22:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
What the heck did I do?

That response is for you TO...

Salmoneye,

PS.....I am off now...Have to go looking for the secret FEMA stickers on the roadsigns that they will use when they declare Martial Law and the UN New World Order takes over the states and starts herding us into concentration camps and euthanizing us for our own good and the Bilderbergers and the Iluminatti retake/remake Eden...

Dang...Gonna be a busy decade...

LMAO!!!


Patria    Posted 07-29-2004 at 13:44:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
hm..looks like the biochemical[sp] corn harvest in PR..nobody knows?..nobody cares..


You got...    Posted 07-29-2004 at 14:17:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
A link to a story or something?

The woo-woo site where I hang out (the one I won't tell you people about cuz the idiots there scare even me) has not come up with that one yet...

I truely am interested...

Salmoneye,



Patria    Posted 07-29-2004 at 14:47:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here you go..

I think I have some more..somewhere..gotta check.


TO35    Posted 07-29-2004 at 13:42:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Makes you wonder... huh?

TO....


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