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Terror threats
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REt    Posted 08-01-2004 at 13:15:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
guess we all have heard of the threats on buildings in NY that came out today. Govt even identified them. God, are we stupid. How can we ironclad every target in the US, we can't. And, this threat has come from a border jumper from Mexico. Clinton didn't secure the borders, when Bush was governor he didn't secure his borders, and as president he sure has not closed them. Now we got terrorists blowing up buildings all over Iraq and we are basically doing nothing. ANd have you noticed that Donald Rumsfeld has mysteriously
dissapeared?. For most of the last two years he was on the news constantly. This president and his advisors have not had any foresight in this war. Too bad they didn't listen to some that wanted the military to clean out those cities, but instead we backed off. I think he ought to be replaced. Trouble is, the guy that would replace him has not got much of a record either. We are in for some tough times, and even if you live in a remote section of the country, it will affect us, higher taxes, a weaker financial market, that affects most everyone, and less freedom to do the things we used to take for granted. At least, that is the way I see it
REt drop leaflets on those cities. Either the towns people identify those among them who are killers, or face anniliation, we have no choice now



Texas Al    Posted 08-01-2004 at 20:57:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bush is certainly not without fault in his prosecution of the war. However given the apparent deficit in our intelligence abilities, I think Bush has done as well as anyone could have, and continues to adjust and improve our chances. Put yourself in his position and and then take a look at Kerry and decide what you think he would have done better. Kerry says he would have gotten permission from the international community, would have gotten more help, etc. What I think is that Kerry would have lobbed a couple of tomahawks at Afgan training camps and that would have been the extent our our reaction to 9/11 AND the Saddam threat.

If Kerry is elected, just be glad that Bush got it started in the right direction, one that Kerry will have a hard time fumbling without looking pretty stupid.


bill b va    Posted 08-01-2004 at 18:18:54       [Reply]  [No Email]

re all the posts below ... they are winning while our politicians and beuorcrats are trying to make political hay from it with their propaganda and brain washing .an article in the AP confirmied what i have said all along .the bush admn thought the iraq war would assure the reelection of bush . now they ain't so sure .la de da.the U.S.A. citizens and the rest of the world aint as stupid as they thought.


ron,ar    Posted 08-01-2004 at 15:33:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have been saying that for better part of a year. They claim it is a Holy war, today they bombed two Christian churches.The way I see it the Muslim Clerics are keeping them stirred up/giving holy permission so to speak.
I say give them a week notice, level Medina (second most holy city in Islam). They don't settle down, say in 30 days, nuke Mecca. If you are in a holy war you have to treat it as such. Tough times call for tough measures. Kerry says if elected he will negotiate with Iraq and let France, Germany and Russia have a major hand in rebuilding Iraq. I don't agree with giving those nations a major voice in how the second largest oil reserves in the world is handled. JMO


steve19438    Posted 08-01-2004 at 17:12:22       [Reply]  [Send Email]
are you serious????


ron,ar    Posted 08-01-2004 at 18:15:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
As serious as a heart attack (I have had two). Those who hide behind religion are some of the most dangerous in the world. You may not know it, but the Saudi's are dealing from both sides of the deck. They need our money on the one hand but despise our way of life on the other. The only thing keeping the status quo is the royal family has absolute power but that too is slipping. You let the radical clerics gain control and watch the stuff hit the fan. If you are so naive as to believe that this country does not run on oil, you are in deep stuff yourself. You better wake up. Economic blackmail (in the form of an oil embargo) could be a very real possibility. The simple truth of the matter is that this nation runs on oil, period! The Saudi Royal family is having a very hard time maintaining their position due to an internal faction called The Religious Police. They are the second strongest faction in that country next to the royal guard.
Reports last month showed the Religious police were tipping terrorists off on efforts by the royal guard to capture al quada cells.
Maybe you dis agree but world politics and the balance of power is in a very delicate position right now.


steve19438    Posted 08-01-2004 at 18:32:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
the fact of the matter is we (americans) are a greedy, spolied bunch of human beings. our dependence on foreign oil is our own fault and we appear to be so greedy that we will do anything to keep the foreign oil flowing. btw: there are alternatives to oil ya know.


Ron,ar    Posted 08-01-2004 at 19:07:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes there are, but when you get in your automobile tomorrow which one of those alternatives are you going to choose over oil? Even by the most aggressive movements to alternative fuels, everyday usage as a replacement for oil are 20 years away. That is assuming we start tomorrow.Big oil would fight it tooth and nail. Read the history of when the US government tried to control big oil back in the early part of the 20th century. Read up on the "Seven Sisters". They were not near as powerful as today, and they pretty much thumbed their noses at congressional law and supreme court rulings. It's gonna be a tough uphill battle, not won in our lifetimes.


Uh...    Posted 08-01-2004 at 19:02:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Speak for yourself please...

Salmoneye, Who Still Does Not Buy Into The 'Americans Are The Root Of All Evil In The World' Crap...


steve19438    Posted 08-01-2004 at 19:11:13       [Reply]  [Send Email]
did i say anything about americans being the root of all evil, but i did forget to mention that we are also sanctimonious and hypocritical!


Thank You    Posted 08-02-2004 at 04:22:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
"sanctimonious and hypocritical"

See how easy it was to speak for yourself?

Salmoneye,



one word    Posted 08-01-2004 at 19:18:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
MOVE!


Burrhead    Posted 08-01-2004 at 16:16:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm with you. There should be retaliation for church bombings but where should we start nuking?? Jackson or Vicksburg??

At least one church bombing I am aware of was a Baptist church in Alabama and was done by a bunch of folks from Mississippi.

Ever body knows that all them folks from Mississippi do is make moonshine and hang around them casinoes at Gulfport to cheat at gambling and sell liquor to folks visiting from out of state. We should bomb Mississippi.


ron,ar    Posted 08-01-2004 at 18:18:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Those folks were cowards of the worst kind, but those church leaders did not encourage terrorism as many muslim clerics,hiding behind the cloak of religion, now do. Different thing entirely.


Clod    Posted 08-01-2004 at 17:08:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Burrhead,, You talking 1963 ?? >>>>>Sixteenth Street Baptist Church Bombing - 1963
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Burrhead    Posted 08-01-2004 at 17:33:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yessir that's it Clod.
4 little girls were killed and I think about 50 people injured.


Clod    Posted 08-01-2004 at 18:27:07       [Reply]  [No Email]

Oh,, How many were here? Was this done by folks from Mississippi?


Burrhead    Posted 08-01-2004 at 18:40:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
yeah there was one 11 year old girl and three 14 year old little girls.

Both men they finally tried were from Jackson, Miss. One man was convicted but I never heard what happened to the other man. Both of them are about 80 years old now.


Clod    Posted 08-01-2004 at 19:18:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
They did Waco too huh?


Burrhead    Posted 08-01-2004 at 20:05:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know what you mean by that Clod.

The whacko Waco folks shooting at federal agents is what happened to Waco. None of the 4 little girls in Birmingham had shot at anyone.



waco    Posted 08-01-2004 at 19:41:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
that was a bunch of wackos hiding behind their kids if I remember right. What a brave bunch
REt


Burrhead    Posted 08-01-2004 at 20:38:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
yer memory is fine.


Les    Posted 08-01-2004 at 14:02:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
You mean I might have to sell an old tractor to survive?

PANIC!!!


Clod    Posted 08-01-2004 at 16:12:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Maybe we could vote in a leader of their choosing like Spain did.Remove our troops from around the world then wave a white flag and ask what are the terms of surrender. They dont play fair so we should not mess with them,I bet they would be nice to us if we just let them have their way, I doubt they would contine blowing up civilians and putting fear in our hearts. I bet they are just nice guys out just having fun.<<<<<<<< Or we could continue untill they finally get enough and get them a job ,raise some kids and do something creative ,like build a better riding mower.


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