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Ron/PA    Posted 08-24-2004 at 08:05:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Do you seriously think that the majority of people want to get off of welfare? I can go on for days on this subject. Now I'm not talking about folks that need a little short term help to feed the kids, I'm talking about people that will walk into my business and flat out tell you they don't really WANT a job, it's just that their case worker forced them to apply. They would prefer NOT to be hired, but if I had to hire them, they could hold out a while, til I was forced to fire them!!!!
Yer gonna have to talk alot longer than you can stay awake to make me believe that the majority of folks on government programs want off. Don't even start me talking about welfare baby factories, and who's responsibility these children are. Dead beats aren't all Dad's, they come in at least 2 sexes.
Ron


I think legacy also contr    Posted 08-24-2004 at 12:31:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think there are those who fall on hard times and are happy to
have a boost to put things right. I think if people stay on it very
long it is hard to get off it. Further, they hand the legacy to their
children. Children learn from their parents after all and so you
find that a family will have generations on the dole. Of course
there are realities of working that also make it hard to go from
welfare to work - and they need to be addressed. Like a living
wage for instance. I think welfare is something that we can
never get rid of, but we should make it uncomfortable for the
long term. I think for instance, that you should give a client
work - whatever work - until he finds a job. Until he finds a job,
while he's getting hand outs he should be sweeping guy #45 in
the NorthWest corner of citysquare park #5. You don't want him
falling out of pratice.

JMO
Paula


steve19438    Posted 08-24-2004 at 10:03:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
where do the poor down trodden native americans fit into all this?????


TomBoy    Posted 08-24-2004 at 11:25:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
I just heard on the news the Alan Keyes (African American running for office in Illinois) is going to ask the Fed for $$$ to give to any African American that can prove they are decendents of a slave. He is calling it "reparations".

The idea behind this push is to increase African American voter turnout in the Chicago area.

One heckuva way to get people to vote ... more free money from the govenment.


Mike(Wi)    Posted 08-24-2004 at 12:12:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Have a real problem with that. In theory, to me reparations are an excellent idea. You go and find me an african american that was a slave, and someone who had slaves and I will make him pay.

However, it has nothing at all to do with the rest of us who were not alive at that time. We are innocent and did not commit the crime, so we are NOT liable and should NOT pay.

Really getting tired of hearing about it.


Peanut    Posted 08-24-2004 at 12:18:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mike I totally agree.

Thing is, slavery was not a crime at the time. Went to war with ourselves to make sure that point was understood. Yes it was horrible for people to think they could own another human being.

There used to be a law in Louisiana where it was illegal to be inside the same washbin as your dog while giving it a bath. (Insert your own explanation for the law here.) Some bored lawmaker found it and had it removed after a big public toodoo. I wonder if a dog that was a descendent from one of those abused dogs is entitled to reparations from the crazy cajun that decided he was lonely?


Mike (Wi)    Posted 08-24-2004 at 18:04:58       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well, ok. You are right that it was not a crime at that time in the South. However, there is not a person alive today that is mentally competant that does not understand that it is moraly wrong to own another person. Moreover, I will go so far as to say that the same was true in 1860. That was true even in the South. The difference of opinion was that it was already an integral part of the economy there, and they did not believe that it was anybody elses business.

That is also true of course that they had the right to run their own affairs. However, that did not make it right, and hence...the war. Wrongs are still wrong regardless of the enforcers.

Nevertheless we agree. This was over 140 years ago. It does not involve us. We did not do the deed and are not liable.

If you grant them reparations, then where will this end? My ancestors are from Norway. Should I also pay thousands to the British and the French because of what my ancestors (the Vikings) did a thousand years ago?

What the hell does any of this have to do with me personally?

This is really absurd and HAS TO STOP.....NOW!!!


Burrhead    Posted 08-24-2004 at 10:34:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
That's 2 part deal on injins.

First we let the catholics and baptist kill all they want to if the savages wont convert to christian faith.

Then we need to rob them, rape them, take all their lands, exclude them from the populus vote, an turnum into being alcoholics from sheer boredom brought about by having to live in a holding pen.

Then when any energy conglomeration finds oil, coal or gold on the worthless land we penned then into when they lost their hunting grounds --we move them to even more useless and remote land and steal their coal, oil and gold again.

Then once every 4 years at election time we drag some umpteenth removed grandson of Chief Running Rooster out into town in full white eye designed war bonnets to ride around in a homecoming parade for the liberal media.

I read one time that Ira Hayes died from exposure to the weather passed out in a dry irrigation ditch.

On the other side of the road was a fully flowing irrigation ditch for the white eye, but the gubbermint would allow no water into the Indian side of the irrigation ditches. Nope not even for a garden.


hay    Posted 08-24-2004 at 11:41:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Big Chief Running Rooster was real. as least thats what my grandpappy sez.


Burrhead    Posted 08-24-2004 at 11:44:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
LMAO that really was the fellers name?? That was how they listed him.


Dennis/AR    Posted 08-24-2004 at 10:46:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Burr,
We already did all those things dontch knoe?


Burrhead    Posted 08-24-2004 at 11:04:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah I know but I was reading one of the tribe papers from somewhere in the Dakotas last week.

Somewhere up there where they already rooked the folks for the coal on the reservation they have found oil.

It's in Federal court now til they can determine whats what about ownership.

The gubbermint is claiming the people dont own the land, but-but-but. However if the injins do own it, they only own the surface rights of the land itself.

I keep reading when I have time trying to find out who is getting paid for the coal they are already mining but it dont say.

The tribe has 3 full blooded Harvard educated Sioux bucks in full war dress in the court room pix.

The atty for the state protested them dressing like that, on grounds that it was distracting the case.

The federal judge said they were wearing thir own heritage cloths and were not trying to side-show the court so he allowed the cloths.


Dennis/AR    Posted 08-24-2004 at 10:12:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Native Americans! Now that is a sore subject with me but since I am not native American I really cannot say anything but repeat other people's experiences and I would not do that.

Suffice to say "THEY GOT, AND ARE COUNTINUING TO GET, SCREWED AT EVERY TURN BY THE GREED MONGERS"


rhouston    Posted 08-24-2004 at 11:23:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
for a people to compalin about getting taken when they have every right to sell their votes to the highest bidder, And they do. I have little compasion. Did they get taken by the white man ? yes they did. Is the white man to blame for everything bad that happened to them since ? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. Their leaders who bought their votes gave their lands away for profit.

about 10 people own the casino's and smoke shop/gas stations on the reservation. They are millionaires while their people live in poverty


Dennis/AR    Posted 08-24-2004 at 16:37:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
GEE Did I say white man anywhere?

I will remember that as a poster you appear to have no compassion for people in trouble.

BTW I am making a big assumption but are you in Texas? You people of the Houston area are getting taken in everyway but loose and are just sittin there doing very little to stop it.

Been there done that!


Right On Ron    Posted 08-24-2004 at 08:36:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Why on earth would I want a job if I have a government giving me money and food stamps/tater tickets. I would continue to be a bum and make more babies so I could get an increase in the amount of handouts I get. (I particularly like the powdered milk and the 5lb block of cheese.)

I honestly don't care if the working folks like it or not. My federal government introduced this sort of domestic hand-holding a long time ago and no CongressDope in his/her right mind would dare to introduce a legislation to remove it. Could you imagine how the NAACP and ACLU (just to name two of my favorite organizations) would react to that? The CongressDope would be labeled a racist in less than 1 second.

I will do everything I can to take advantage of it too. Why would I force myself to wake up in the morning and put in an honest days work when I can deal crack and get government freebies at the same time.

There are entirely too many Americans that see this hand-holding as justified and proper. Yet at the same time the same Americans complain about taxes. They just haven't figured out what I have ...

If I don't work, I don't pay taxes, and I get free stuff. If I work, I pay taxes, and wont get handouts. Kinda a no-brainer to me.

PS - I am not one of those people who need short-term help. I see them on occasion at the welfare office but by and large that is not the majority. I am one of the leaches of society that feel I am owed a government/taxpayer funded existence. And I get it.

Sincerely,
- On Welfare


Dennis/AR    Posted 08-24-2004 at 09:12:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
When you bring the naacp into this are you implying that the majority of people on welfare are black?


Ron/PA    Posted 08-24-2004 at 09:37:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
When he brought the ACLU into this was he suggesting that majority of people on welfare were Americans?
As for my area, the answer would have to be NO probably less than 20% however that wouldn't stop the NAACP from screaming, would it?
As for the race card, there's no more racist group than the NAACP. That's a whole new issue, I'm still gripin about shiftless bums that take my money.
Ron


On Welfare    Posted 08-24-2004 at 09:17:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
No I am not. I used NAACP as an example for my "legislation" comments. I chose those two organizations simply because they have an extremely strong lobbying effort for all issues that support government hand-holding. They also receive enough media attention to help sway voters who cannot think for themsleves.

I don't care what color a person is. The NAACP might care. ACLU does not care. All I care about is the color of the free money I get.

Sincerely,
- On Welfare


Dennis/AR    Posted 08-24-2004 at 09:26:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ok the only reason I asked was that they aren't the majority and I didn't want you to get into any hot water.

BTW are the steaks you buy on food stamps as tasty as stakes bought with HARD EARNED money? OPPS that's right you wouldn't know from HARD EARNED,would ya.


Not On Welfare    Posted 08-24-2004 at 09:34:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dennis - I am not really on welfare. I actually work for a living and feel really strong (obviously) about government handouts. I dont make a lot of money but can feed my family and provide for them just fine. We dont eat a lot of steaks but when we can splurge a little and buy them, they taste wonderful.

- Jeremy in FL


Dennis/AR    Posted 08-24-2004 at 09:58:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Jeremy,
I knew you weren't And I am not against anyone who need help as I have been homeless myself in
earlier years. Had a 78 T-Bird so it was big enough to live in. I am against the "welfare way of life" as it is harmful to all involved.

have a great day.


mojo    Posted 08-24-2004 at 08:10:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
"at least 2 sexes".....I LOVE IT!!!
8^D


Aprille    Posted 08-24-2004 at 15:25:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
What did one ignorant person say to the other ignorant person?? Not a thing..because what ignorant people have to say..no one wants to listen to..including themselves..cuz they be too damn ignorant..
Have a nice day ya'all..or ..is that a SOUTHERN thing!?


Doc    Posted 08-24-2004 at 16:26:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bless her heart!


Clod    Posted 08-24-2004 at 16:40:39       [Reply]  [No Email]

WEll .Let us sell our our property and donate the money to the indians.It is only fair.Hey.I'm part indian!


~Lenore    Posted 08-24-2004 at 16:45:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeehaa!! My pal Clod is gonna be rich!!
I think you are at least 1/4 native American indian when you add up both sides of your family, right?


Clod    Posted 08-24-2004 at 16:56:52       [Reply]  [No Email]

Yes,,I could use it to buy tickets for those who want to leave the USA.


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