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Pete's dream    Posted 08-28-2004 at 10:06:07       [Reply]  [No Email]

Someone makes the statement. "He is rich so he don't need that". Like someone said he doesn't need Social security because he has lots of money so he shouldn't get it. Now this person has paid into it just like everyone else so why shouldn't he get it. If someone is of means why should they not be the one to beneft from it. Like if someone needs more money therefor they should be paid more. Is it not the value of the work they do that determines a persons wage. If my neighbor works hard and has many cattle is it right for me to expect him to simply give me the fruits of his labor. Oh well just ramblin.

Dieselrider    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:58:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
All I was trying to say below with that coment is that if everyone (even those who don't need it)keeps taking from the system it will colapse for sure. That's what Allen Greenspan is trying to get accrossed to everyone and no one wants to hear it. Also I did the numbers in the thread below you do get back all you pay in in about five years not in three like I thought.

r    Posted 08-28-2004 at 13:37:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
It usually comes down to a case of class envy. Somehow or another, if you bust yer butt, and make good in life, you suddenly become the enemy. Just ask Bill Gates.
I've always felt all I had to do, was come up with a good idea, risk everything I own and take my chances on my own. Never had the nerve to risk it all.
When folks say americans can't make a living wage, I usually have a problem seeing it. I do however see a problem when they figure a living wage includes 2 brand new SUV's and a quarter million dollar home.
I guess It's all relative, but somehow I just can't totally fault corporations, any more than I can fault unions.
My thinking is, no matter what I have, if I've earned it, I'll collect it. No reason not to, and I've certainly paid enough to others who haven't earned it over the years that my consience is gonna be clear.

~Lenore    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:01:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
...yes, Bill and I were talking about that just the other day. Poor Bill, just can't understand it. With all he has done to improve the work place with his inovative programs and all, why do people hate him? Like you said, Ron, envy, is the reason. Why is the government always trying to catch him in some trap? They want to have more control of Bill. While we were having lunch together, he got a phone call and have to leave in a rush. He left me to pay the bill,too, that is OK, he will get the tab next time.

toolman    Posted 08-28-2004 at 14:52:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
thats fine for you to say ,you have shares in a ARK quartz mine , rich people own mines

Ron/PA    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:04:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ya know there's just some things you otta keep to yourself. I don't need all of the peons clammering for donations.
That mine stock is my retirement, that and my SSI and whatever I can steal from the government.LOL

toolman    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:14:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
yup i realize that but bein friends i just thought , kinda in my own twisted way that id give ya a HEADS UP, did you see ennis new wheels , seen him and a couple of good lookin cuties toolin down the highway yellin something about thanks to ron and something else about raidin ferns PLAYPEN, not sure what all thats about.

Ron/PA    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:36:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Did ya ever notice, how whenever he's havin a good time he always heads "DOWN" the road. He never comes UP the road to pick up you or me,, Nope allways goes south.

toolman    Posted 08-28-2004 at 16:10:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
think maybe we should be a tellin TAMMY, she might want to keep an eye out on ole DJ. can you imaging those three hog, DJ and ennis out on the town, halfta get the bail money ready .

toolman    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:45:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
ive noticed that and have you also noticed the absents of ennis and hogman, you of course know what that means don,t ya. bet they got one of the SS models too all souped up and such, probably hear about their deeds soon as eieo wakes up though, or do you supposed he filled that compressor right up with that sleepin gas again, if he did she should be out of it for a good week or so.

Ron/PA    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:52:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't know for sure, but I did see where he was bidding on a whole boatload of nitros oxide over on e-bay the other day. I'm guessing she's out of it for the duration.

toolman    Posted 08-28-2004 at 16:04:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
hmmm , never count her out though , ennis has in the past only to wake up days later with knots all over his head.

r    Posted 08-28-2004 at 16:50:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I do know he's been accused of waking up days later,,, hehehe

Shoulda been Ron/PA    Posted 08-28-2004 at 13:42:35       [Reply]  [No Email]

Len....NY    Posted 08-28-2004 at 11:11:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi Petes Dream,It's just another step towards the slippery slope of "redistribution Of wealth" and "class warfare".It is imperative this election year, that we think carefully, seek the truth from other than mainstream sources,and vote with conscience

I think    Posted 08-28-2004 at 10:49:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
that opens up a big bag of worms. One answer to your question is that wealth begats wealth, once you have it, it is easy to increase it. That can be seen with giganic corporations that have eaten up smaller ones. Therefore, it is impossible to compete with your wealthy neighbor. Another way of seeing it is that when the working class does well, so does the country. That has been proven. In a secure job environment a worker can plan and will spend wages for the better things in life, increasing businesses sales. Prior to WW11, the country was stagnant, but with the strong demand for goods and especially the GI bill of rights that helped thousands get an education and the rise of unions, the working man after WW11 improved his lot immensely. Now the corporate world has to churn out profits that years ago would be unheard of. One way they keep them high is increasing productivity, meaning less labor. When the majority of the people cannot afford a decent living, I can't see why corporate America can't see the damage it has done. Then again, they don't care.
Ret rambling too

murray    Posted 08-28-2004 at 10:23:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the
> street when they came to a homeless person. The
> Republican gave the homeless person his business
> card and told him to come to his business for a job.
> He then took twenty dollars
> out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless
> person. The Democrat was very impressed, and when
> they came to another homeless person, he decided to
> help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave
> him directions to the welfare office. He then
> reached into the Republican's pocket and got out
> twenty dollars. He kept 15 for Administrative Fees
> and gave the homeless person five. Now you
> understand the difference between Republicans and
> Democrats!

~Lenore    Posted 08-28-2004 at 10:59:37       [Reply]  [No Email]


pete's dream    Posted 08-28-2004 at 10:51:34       [Reply]  [No Email]

Didn't quiet expect that type of response but you done done good, real good

KatG    Posted 08-28-2004 at 10:41:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
ISn't that suppose to be reversed???.lol...

Clod    Posted 08-28-2004 at 13:55:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I live in a toolshed.I blame everyone else because I am not rich. Well,,Really,I chose to be where I am.If I was not ignorant.I would be rich.But I know rich people who earned what they have. I do not envy them .They pay more taxes and make jobs for those who can not create their own.If I wanted to get more education I can go to the library for free. There are books available that can make a person rich if he studies a good trade.

Alias    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:20:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Clod, old friend, if you were well educated and rich, you might take up lying and cheating to get more. And we'd be the worse off for it. As it is, many folks that visit here look forward to your writings. And, for a self proclaimed unedgemacated* individual living in a tool shed with little or no ties to the public library, you do pretty good for yourself. So,I think I like you just the way you are. Don't you nevah change.......gfp

*= Like that spelling???

toolman    Posted 08-28-2004 at 15:02:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
clod, being rich can,t buy happiness good health, or good friends and family , course if your rich the bums will hang around, naw i can forgo rich long as me and my family are happy and healthy, we worked for the roof over our head and the food on the table, and thank the LORD that we have both.thats all that pretty much matters too me, have a good one my friend.

Clod    Posted 08-28-2004 at 18:07:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had a few rich friends,One extrmely wealthy.This man started out with a father who owned a music store in the south where 5 bucks an hour was top wages in the sixties. But my friend liked to experiment with electronics.Eventually he became very wealthy.But he wrote to me once or twice a week for about ten years and was no diffrent that he was when he had no money. He did not think he was better than the average ,He was just a harder worker and more interested in how things functioned.

toolman    Posted 08-28-2004 at 21:48:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
yup it,s nice to know people like that , who don,t let money change them sometimes hard to find though,5 bucks an hour in the 60,s was pretty good money, when i was a kid i worked construction for 3.65 an hour till that job was finished , then went underground in the coal mines for 2.65 a hour, sure missed that extra buck but at least it was steady.

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