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1000th casualty
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mojo    Posted 09-08-2004 at 04:58:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Iraq has just harvested it's 1000th American casualty.
I think of the American Civil War and where some battles had that number in one hour.
And then I recall a Star Trek episode about a culture where war had been made acceptable, thereby prolonging war.
I pray we don't pay any higher price than needed for freedom.


Len....NY    Posted 09-08-2004 at 12:21:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
As the media continues to try and control popular oppinion to its advantage by once again keeping a body count/scorecard,I stand in awe and in appreciation for all that served in any war in defense of America. God bless them all.
Following Sept.11, When President Bush addressed the nation, he warned us the trail of terrorism would lead us to many countries harboring or assisting these killers of innocent men, women,and children.With the events of the last week, which the press is deliberately trying to keep hushed,is there any doubt in any ones mind that these al quiada idiots mean to kill you and yours.


mud- troubled    Posted 09-08-2004 at 07:38:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
heres what i dont understand. how can we teach them folks about freedom when they aint had it? our country was founded on a thirst for it. can that thirst be given to others? thats our gamble aint it?

i dont like the mess over there, not one bit. i figure if we pull out it will become a bigger mess than if we stay put. in the meantime we keep sending home coffins. them servicemen that died cant just die in vain, i know that. breaks my dam heart to think of the fatherless children and widows that are paying the ultimate price for another cultures introduction to freedom.

if it keeps up we'll have to re-mortgage the country to put them folks to right. then there aint no gaurentee that they'll keep it right after we spilt our blood there. this mess aint nothing like ww2. it is a culture that places little value on life, so why should we think they ought to place a value on freedom.

you got to love life to love freedom. them folks is differant than us that way, thats how i see it. i shore wish them service people were back home with their kin. i fear we cant help them people over there, and i believe that history will prove me out. but what to do? thats the real mess of it. thats my opinion and those what knows me knows i dont count for much but one vote. i will stilll vote for freedom, anywhere it shows itself on a ballot. i just wish it were differant for them whats innocent.


Doc    Posted 09-08-2004 at 13:45:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good point..... or should I say question, Mud.


Clipper    Posted 09-08-2004 at 07:04:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Having lost a younger brother to this conflict in Iraq I say there is no price too steep to ensure freedom. And I sure as he77 don't believe for one second this has anything to do with oil. My participation in the Gulf War taught me that despite what the Liberal Press was reporting at home to our people.


Gary    Posted 09-08-2004 at 06:19:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
"I pray we don't pay any higher price than needed for freedom"

What is the needed price of Freedom?

It it one life, one thousand, or one hundred thousand, how many lives is it worth? Is it worth yours? Is it worth you sons' or your daughters'? I know of number 928, from Mount Hermon, La. A young boy just 18 years. A foster home kid looking for a better direction to a better life, God Bless him, I hope he's found it now.


Friendly Fire    Posted 09-08-2004 at 05:55:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Iraq is just another Viet Nam all over again, why cant people see that. 58,000 kias and what do we have to show for it. Why cant the CIA take care of the problem, why do good Americian kids have to die for oil?


RN    Posted 09-08-2004 at 13:35:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
The CIA budget was cut by the liberals, operations also resticted -minimal wet operations allowed. Viet Nam - delayed Communists, Singapore , Malaysia, Thailand got time to stabilize and are market examples for the area. Marxist/leninists in Viet Nam now losing influence to free market party. RN.


Griz    Posted 09-08-2004 at 12:37:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Isn't it funny how "Friendly Fire" fails to give his/her name instead they choose to use an alias that has not been seen on the board? Rather, in typical liberal democrat format, they chose to hid behind alias instead of showing who they really are. Typical. Very Typical.

Mark H - did not realize you served in Nam. My sincerest thanks to you. If the saloon was still open I'd buy you a round.

Griz


Friendly Fire    Posted 09-08-2004 at 16:36:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Griz, sorry I didnt realize I had to introduce myself to you before I could post on the board. I have served in the Marine Corp during Nam and several good friends of mine have their name on a wall. They were good people and good fathers and good sons and what did they die for? I just dont want our country to get involved in another "limited war" which we cant win and I see that happening today. We are bombing and destroying Iraq today and now the Pres. wants 18.4 BILLION dollars to rebuild it for the next budget. Just stop and think how that amount of money could be spent here in our country, perhaps on health care for the poor or creating new jobs to replace the ones lost to China to name just a few. I realize a lot of good people are here on this board and back the President, but just dont do it blindly and think the whole thing thru and I belive you will have some serious doubts about our involvement in Iraq.


Griz    Posted 09-09-2004 at 06:43:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, let's see FF. First post on this board? Nah, I seriously doubt it. Just using an alias so that others don't know who you really are.

2nd - My son is preparing to go to Iraq. My brother-in-law is in Iraq as is 4 members of my congregation and several good friends. 4 of those have already done tours there and are preparing to go back. Why you ask? Because they see what needs to be done. They see the helplessness of these people who have suffered under one of the worst regimes ever known. You would understand that as well if you had taken the time to take one out to dinner in appreciation of their service.

Don't talk to me about the economy. The one thing that you liberals fail to get is this.....where is the economy going to be if we have another 911? The first one almost sank us but due in large part to an excellent Commander/Chief we are climbing out. The war on Terrorism is not just about freeing a people. It's about protecting us and our economy from another attack. Somehow, the Liberal Left fail to understand this.

Creating new jobs, blah blah blah. Have you not taken a look at the latest economic news that has been taking place since January of 04? Sure seems like the jobs lost due to 911 (Thanks Bill!) are coming back and doing so in record proportions. But, why look at that fact when it will so obviously prove you wrong?

For some reason the Liberal Left wants to keep bringing up Nam. Whether it's with Kerry or in your posts regarding your service. Regardless of who you are, I offer thanks for any military service, period. However, Iraq is not a Vietnam. It's much broader in scope and has a direct impact on our safety and our economy here in the States. Why you can't realize that is beyond me.

How can you win the war on Terrorism? Any amount of intelligence will tell you that you can't. However, you sure as hell can defend yourself and make it known that we will not simply hide behind our kerchiefs (like those across the pond do) and allow it to happen. There are always going to be nut jobs out there that want to take away our freedoms and GW is sending the message loud and clear. While we cannot eliminate every cell, every misguided youth, every defenseless woman with a tnt belt, we will stick up for ourselves and hunt you down.

Love to debate you further but your points are completely baseless and without merit. Once you come up with some better material that is not offered to you on a platter by the Liberal Left, then feel free to post it here. Otherwise, start using your real name.

Griz


Willy-N    Posted 09-08-2004 at 07:05:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Remember the Trade Centers that was not Oil! Were there lives lost in vane also? Mark H.


GeneSC    Posted 09-08-2004 at 07:17:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree, it's NOT about oil. it's about a culture
of people who have NO regard for human life
outside their own religion, which advocates killing anyone who doesn't belong to that
religion. it's a new and different kind of war and
I don't know if we know exactly how to fight it,
But I DO know that running away and ignoring it
will be a disaster.[Remember 911] Look at Russia
last week! these people don't care about children
or anyone but themselves. sorry for the rant.
............Gene.............


Griz    Posted 09-08-2004 at 07:15:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark, don't waste your breath on someone like this! If this person (Friendly Fire) would spend just a minute amount of time speaking with those serving in Iraq he would quickly learn the real reason why we are there. Instead, FF he wants to believe the liberally bias media that it's all about oil or high $ contracts. What a disgrace. A true disgrace.

Griz


How true    Posted 09-08-2004 at 12:04:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Its not that it "is" like Vietnam,
Its they "want" it to be.

1st - In Nam they had a super power openly supporting and providing arms to them.
Terroist don't.

2nd - In Nam there was a leader, a goverment, and a capital that should have been leveled (see point three).
Terroist don't.

3 - In nam a dem pres micro-managed it into a an unwinable pissing contest by refusing to take the fight to the source.
Bush isn't.


Willy-N    Posted 09-08-2004 at 07:26:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I fought in Veitnam and made it home. Some did not but this is the price for freedom! I volenteered for the Service and was proud to do my part. So did most of my family. Mark H.


old lars/me.    Posted 09-08-2004 at 10:14:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
my son in laws a marine of 5 years and a postman now,the recruiters keep calling him 2-4 times a week,he is goin back in the service
.i know others theyre as well and i am proud of each and every one of them,ta hell with the liberal demmies and the media who say we shouldnt be theyre,they were the 1st ones to say we should act then they turn coats on us.should we have then let saddam stay and kill more innocents ? i think not.


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