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Hope ya'll don't get tired of talking cows...
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KatG    Posted 09-10-2004 at 13:57:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We are bottle feeding the little 4 day old calf ...twice aday...she seems so hungry when I go to give her water throughout the day...Should I be feeding her more???The bottle is 2 quarts...
Ms. Ellie our very pregnant cow is looking more like she is getting closer...this afternoon to think of someway to put it..Her "region" is getting more loose and is twitching.,..What is this she started to have contractions??? Her due date is the 15th and this is her second calf..
What is ya'lls opinion on Jersey bulls??? are they the meanest animal around as I have heard???
We don't have but three acres and not much grazing area...we have raised Amos from 3 days halter broke and beautiful...Started out to be made into a steer for meat but we missed the mark and now he is a bull pet..Don't know what to do with him...Husband won't have him door neighbor wants to buy him for meat..Amos is around 350 pounds..Might sell him to neighbor...Amos comes from top sire Jersey Bull -Windy Willow Montana Jace..But we haven't had him registered....Does anyone buy bulls for breeding purposes now since A.I. is so prevelent??
Don't mean to talk ya'lls ear off but ya'll seem to know more about cows and most everything than anyone I know...Thanks...KAtG

Linda in Utah    Posted 09-10-2004 at 20:37:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Kat, at 350 pounds, your bull can still be castrated. Jersey beef is some of the best quality freezer beef available.

As for feeding the bottle calf, weevils won't hurt it. Bottle babies always act like they're hungry, but don't increase the quantity of milk you're feeding it. That would be the wrong thing to do. Put out a small amount of fresh hay, and some calf pellets (we always used "Calf Manna").

Keep a container of fresh water available at all times for the calf to drink from - bucket or water tank of some kind will do. It won't drink much water to begin with, but will gradually increase its intake. I'm not sure if you are offering the calf water in a container or bottle feeding water. Don't bottle feed water - just leave a container of fresh water where the calf can find it.

Same with the hay - it will start nibbling at it - nature's way of allowing it to begin to grow the right kind of bacteria in its stomach so it can later digest the hay. As for the pellets, often you have to push a few pellets into the calf's mouth after it has finished the bottle. It might spit them out at first, but will soon begin to eat them on its own. Just keep pushing a small handful of pellets into its mouth after each bottle.

One thing to watch for with your cow is a clear mucous discharge. That would mean the cow's cervix is relaxing and opening up preparing for the birth of the baby. Most of our cows calve within a few hours or days after the mucous discharge, but one of my older cows has gotten to where she waits for 8 days now. If you see bloody mucous, she's in labor. The twitching isn't anything significant, although the relaxation of the tissue is a good sign. She may still be hours to weeks away, though. One thing I've always noticed in our cows is that a day or so before they calve, they tend to look "not pregnant" anymore. The calf has gotten into position and isn't pooching out the sides of the mother's sides as much anymore.

Good luck to you!

KatG    Posted 09-11-2004 at 11:37:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks so much Linda..You reply really answered alot of questions for this bewildered old farm
We have got a bucket in the stall with the new calf but she doesn't drink out of it yet...I have been giving her water in her bottle during the day...she takes about 2 or 3 pints at a time..She is pooping and not scouring of which I am glad of...Amos...the bull had the scours and I had never ended dealt with a introduced to raising calves rather quickly..What we did wrong with him was let him have as much Jersey milk after my husband got what we wanted...which usually was maybe a old Amos was making out like a fat rat...I am trying to talk my husband into have Amos butchered for us...he has raised him...halter broke him and he even named him after his grandpa...this was another learning experience...don't make a pet out of something you plan to eat..
Have a good weekend and any advice and hints are welcomed greatly...KAtG

mike    Posted 09-10-2004 at 18:04:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have had 2 near death experiences w/ bulls, won't do that again. That said most bulls are "manageable" untill they turn 12-14 months old. Once they start pawing the ground w/ their nose low to the ground and "growling" at you they are on the truck to McDonalds... or Burger King... or kentucky fried hamburg... that being said a 350 pound bull is not a real threat; YET. anytime you get nervous about working w/ him is a day to late to load him on a trailer...

Fern(Mi)    Posted 09-10-2004 at 16:33:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Lost a couple farming friends to a single Jersey Bull this past year. Pound for pound of bovine bull, Iím of the mind they are the meanest barnyard critter alive. Canít be trusted and canít for the life of me understand anyone wanting a bull, any bull for a pet.
When that animal starts reaching maturity he will become increasingly dangerous. At any moment there personality can change making them a flesh and blood killing machine.
Iím sporting the pins, rods, nuts and bolts holding my limbs and ribs together from playful bull encounters. It is your familyís lives and well being to take into concern. Not foolishness playing with danger.
This what we use: clean, neat, bloodless, no need for additional antibiotic nor tetanus shots.

And, we dehorn at the same time.

One more thought, Castrate him and make him a draft animal if your determined to keep him. You might even be invited to make a Sullivan Show appearance. (grin)
Need any more info? Ask!

KatG    Posted 09-10-2004 at 17:29:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
After reading your letter I think it shook me into realizing something has to be done with Amos...My husband is the one that has the most contact with him and don't want to be a widow..Going to read your letter to MAtt as soon as he gets back from the barn...You know I saw one of those tools at a auction we went t and did not know what it was...a man mearby told me it was for the deed..We are either going to have to get rid of Amos or get him fixed...Not going to risk our lives to what use to be a playful little boy calf that now is getting to be a big bull..
The calf is not the cows baby...the calf was just a few hours old when we got her...Going to get one of those bucket feeders..Thanks for so much info..I really depend on ya'll...
Matt just came from the barn...the expensive milk replacer we got 2 days ago has weevils in it.ahhhhhhhhhhh...stuff cost over $56...It was closed up tightly...will it hurt the calf to feed it to her like that...It is is not one thing it is another...Seems like *&$# always happens on Friday when nothing is open...KAtG

New-Gen    Posted 09-10-2004 at 15:51:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Talking cows?? Never saw one. I do remember a talking horse named Ed who had his own TV show for a while. Would that be any relation?

{N.G., who doesn't take himself very seriously and advises others not to take him too seriously either}

KatG    Posted 09-10-2004 at 17:31:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
No afraid not...Ms. Ellie is from Dallas and Amos is off the McCoy remember the show will with Mr. Ed..One of my favorites..KAtG

Lon    Posted 09-10-2004 at 15:06:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
First off, the calf should have access to water round the clock. Second jersey bulls for the most part are hamburger. Very few people want or need a jersey bull, those that do, want very specific ones. My guess is that Amos ain't one of those. At 350# he needs to be clamped and fed out. He'll never be the best beef you ever ate but you haven't blown the whole deal yet. Cows are kept and raised for beef and milk production, they aren't pet puppies or kittys. They can be treated kindly but as you've found out anything more than that makes them hard to swallow. Why are you bucket feeding the new calf? I get the impression you are not running a dairy. The cow should give enough milk for the calf as well as some extra for your family. If you are buying milk replacer to give the calf, in my opinion it'd be less work and not much more money to just leave the calf on the cow, taking a little milk for your family and then wean the calf as early as possible. You may have to buy a gallon of milk now and then but it's easier than bottle and bucket feeding calves.

KatG    Posted 09-10-2004 at 17:36:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
No no dairy...just the Cripple G farmette...The calf is not the cows...and the cow is dry waiting for the birth of the new baby anytime now...I am going to get me one of those buckets...especially since she needs to have water available all the time...We plan to leave Ms. Ellie's calf with her long enough to nurse in the morning and in the evening...That is the way we worked it with Amos...who also wasn't Ellie's calf...Ellie takes up with any calf that somes along...she is a natural born Mother...Thanks for the info...KAtG

mojo    Posted 09-10-2004 at 14:54:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Calf are ALWAYS hungry! As long as he's gaining I wouldn't increase feed.

Sounds like the cow is coming along normally, just keep keeping an eye on her (check her at night?).

Don't know a thing about jersey bulls, but I'd imagine someone might want to naturally increase their herd.

I don't mind at all talking cattle, but I must tell you I've been out of the loop for many years and memory may let me down. Fortunately someone here will keep us in line and not do anything too stupid!8^)

KatG    Posted 09-10-2004 at 17:39:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Learning about these cows is alot of work...hands on experience is the best also...Having to give Amos elecolites with eh...well..a femmine appartus when he had the scours was quite an experience...We still got it hanging in the barn in case it is ever needed again

As they say...Necessity is the Mother of Invention"..HAve a good weekend..KAtG

~Lenore    Posted 09-10-2004 at 14:25:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
KatG no one will get tired of cow talk. Some of us dont know the answers so like me they just read and learn. There are lots here who do know the answers and will come by and help you. So just post away and ask all you want. ;-)

KatG    Posted 09-10-2004 at 17:40:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks so much...makes me feel right at home here...Thanks so much to everyone for all the info...KAtG

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