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Pitch    Posted 10-03-2004 at 05:35:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
It's grape harvest in these parts so the migrants are here. Last night as I was taking the daughters to the homecoming game and dance I saw a van with Texas plates on the side of the road. 7 Hispanics 5 men and 2 woman were with it and had a flat tire. I dropped the kids off and on the way back I stopped at the van. Their spare was worse than the flat so I loaded them up and took them down to the vinyard they are working. I then took the driver over to my place cause I had a couple of old tires that would fit that I no longer have use for. We demounted his and he got mine mounted and aired up (all with hand equipment)got him back to the van and on his way.
Anyway when I told the kids about it my youngest 15 went berserk. "you mean you let that filthy &*%#% near our house! Now every thing we have will be gone We'll have to lock up every time we go someplace",and on and on. I have never been so ashamed in my life I am at wits end. We didn't raise our kids that way and I have no idea where she got it from. Today will be an unpleasant day around here to say the least. I have to figure out some kind of lesson and punishment for her.
Migrants have been part of this area forever and she has seen them every spring and fall all her life. I have never known any problem to be caused by them except for long lines at the customer service window at the store when they are sending money home.
The old guy (driver) was extremely grateful and appeared to be mortified by the fact that he could not pay me. about 10 words of english on his end and zip spanish on mine. He literally turned his pockets out to show he had no money and hung his head . He shook my hand for what seemed to be 15 minutes saying gracias gracias senor.
I just need to figure out what the heck to do with the brat though.


KellyGa    Posted 10-03-2004 at 20:32:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think of every person as an individual, I try to anyway. Everybody is on the same page as me until they prove otherwise. You can pretty much tell right away by a persons behavior towards you what kind of folks they are. Unfortunately, people can be rude, pushy, downright @sses, and that tends to change our view on that person, until another comes along, and another, and another, and then we start to get jaded, and resentful, because as we tally these rude folks in our minds,and most times, most of them will be from one particular ethnic group.

Tell her to take one person at a time, and decide on each person, because everybody is different.


steve19438    Posted 10-03-2004 at 11:54:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
in 1975 i was on a cross country trip and stopped to help a oriental man and woman change their flat tire. they had no money but offered me some fruit they had as a thankyou. it still makes me feel good when i think of that.


~Lenore    Posted 10-03-2004 at 12:20:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Steve, for a politically correct guy dont you know your statement....

a oriental man and woman change their flat tire

is considered an ethnic slur?

The proper terminology now is an Asian man and woman. Thought I would advise you of this to try to help you from possibly being beat up by a gang of young "Oriental" guys in the future. :-)


Rowdy Yates    Posted 10-04-2004 at 05:47:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Politically correct??????????? Who cares!


Les    Posted 10-03-2004 at 11:45:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with the others that picking grapes would be a good idea. But I have a couple questions:
Wasn't it you that was using the word "hate" a few days ago in describing your feelings toward some of us that you don't agree with politically? Maybe you don't have to look all that far to see how the "brat" got the way she is and take a turn or two in the vineyard yourself?


Fern(Mi)    Posted 10-03-2004 at 11:21:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Reads to me she sorely needs a grape harvesting job. Working with and along side supposed strangers she just might find her neighbors not to unlike herself and her own family.
Whenever we party its usually a rainbow affair. AND, then there's all them ethnic dishes. Yum! AND, the ethnic jokes/jokesters to uproariously contend with.
Yep! She needs a vineyard job today if not sooner. (grin)
Fernan (in a broad beaming smile)


Mike Ga    Posted 10-03-2004 at 09:55:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good deed you did there. I am in construction and if it werent for the migrant workers I would probably not have work to do. These young whites growing up today won't work but they want a paycheck. I don't understand them. When I was a kid we would beg to find work and these kids today you have to beg them to work. I have yet to find one that will work a decent work day. They are the laziest bunch I have ever encountered. I am at the point I would rather work by myself than hire one. I have run across a few Mexicans that are the same way after they have been Americanized I call it. Thats after they have been in the states a few years. I have great respect for someone that wants to work but none for a lazy person and I will not help a lazy person. I have a few that come around my home wanting help but they don't want help they want someone to do it for them, not me.


Why    Posted 10-03-2004 at 08:48:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
didn't you keep the kids with you during that time and maybe they would have learned a more valuable lesson in helping someone. Was it because you were also afraid of the migrants as you are now berating your daughter for? Hmmmmmmmmm?


Pitch    Posted 10-03-2004 at 10:45:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
No The kids had plans and when I originally saw the van I did'nt even think of helping it was just a flat. When I was returning after dropping them off halfhour later the van was still there so I figured there was a problem and stopped.Same as I would for anyone. If I can help I will.


Dave Munson    Posted 10-03-2004 at 08:30:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Some things they do not teach in school. It will probably take a while to teach but over time, with positive reinforcement, there is hope.


Chas in Me    Posted 10-03-2004 at 08:02:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Put her to work picking grapes with the people she fears so much. A few blisters and an aching back will give her a new perspective on life.


MJ in Sc    Posted 10-03-2004 at 07:57:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mornin' Pitch,

It's tough when our kids disappoint us. Remember, your child is only 15 and probably heard alot of negative comments from other kids their age and peer pressure is a really hard thing to handle.

I have been fortunate enough to work with the migrant workers here in SC through a program that our Baptist Association started. We have a Spanish speaking pastor come in on Sunday afternoon to preach a sermon to anyone who'd like to attend, and there are English classes on Thursday for anyone interested....no cost involved. We also have missionaries here that are "go betweens" for the migrants, especially for those that don't speak English well. I have to admit, I really enjoyed working with the migrant workers and teaching conversational English. I learned that most of the families are here to work and send money home to remaining members of the family. Many times the father is here in U.S. and the rest of the family remains home. He can make SO much more money and his family is so much better off financially, but I sure can't imagine not seeing my Dad but one every year or two. Many times the whole family comes to the U.S. I've had the pleasure of meeting a really nice family that I will never forget. Very humble, grateful, honest, giving family. I truely fell in love with the children. We visited them at the migrant camp, ate supper with them, helped with things as we could. We kept in touch for over 5 years when they left the area, but haven't heard from them in some time.

You might want to check and see if there is a similar program of some kind or another in your area where your children and go and help out. It's just a matter of introducing your kiddos to the mirgrant families and letting them realize, for themselves, that when you cut below the skin they're just regular folks too.

Glad to see that your the type of parent that is concerned over these things....so many parents these days just are parents.


deadcarp    Posted 10-03-2004 at 07:10:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
when my oldest got outa the marines he goot a job at a filter plant. first day he described the crew as a handful of white guys and a buncha mexicans. well a while later, he got acquainted with one of the gals and found out she (at age 18) was the sole survivor of a family that had left el salvador for a new home in the states. her dad had gotten killed by guerillas, their house was torched and mom fled on foot with the kids. a ways later another bunch got them and they had to witness the dismembering of the mother, and somewhere in mexico her brother fell ill and finally died. she kept walking and finally made it. so to her, minimum wage atr florence filters and a friend to stay with was heaven. when my son told me her story, i asked him if he still thought of them as a buncha mexicans.


HAWK EYE    Posted 10-03-2004 at 06:01:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"
"I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
I think we are. good job! given time and patients your child should come around.


mojo    Posted 10-03-2004 at 05:50:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like alittle churching is in order, followed by actually meeting some of them *#$^^%$*. It's hard to be predujice when you know their name and background. I wouldn't punish, at 15 a life lesson is better than a harsh lesson.

This requires alot of thought and patience, good luck.


Steve from TN    Posted 10-03-2004 at 06:09:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I taught migrant Mexicans for several years along with whites,blacks,and a few other scattered minorities. The Hispanic kids never started a fight, never stole anything at school, and never smart-talked the teachers. I have talked to our chief deputy and discussed the crime among the migrant Hispanics. He said that they had never locked one up for burglary, forgery, wife beating, child pornagraphy, murder, rape, or any other heinous crime. They will drink and drive and almost never have insurance. When they are involved in a wreck and are drinking, they almost always run. They know they are in trouble.

Now that I work in the court house, I see them almost daily. They are respectful when they ask for help. I will do anything to help someone with manners. If these people are &$#(@@(TRASH), I choose to work with trash. They are usually poor and uneducated, but so were most of our ancestors a few generations ago. I have a friend that emigrated from Mexico about 40 years ago that helps these folks. He told me that they will get him to light their gas stoves when fall turns chilly. I asked him why didn't they light their own stoves. He told me that they had never seen gas stoves till they came up here. I asked Manuel what did they heat with in Mexico.

Manuel said,"Have you seen the Mexicans on t.v. with a donkey loaded down with sticks; that's what they came from."

They heated with dry cow chips and sticks. I know that there are Hispanic gangs in the big cities and that they cause as much trouble as the rest of us, but here in the rural areas where all we encounter is migrant workers, they are definitely not trash. Tell you 15 years old daughter that she can "Put it in the bank."


Clod    Posted 10-03-2004 at 07:59:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
That was a good thing you did Pitch.


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