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Need advice: Installing sump pump
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Bkeepr    Posted 10-10-2004 at 04:17:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
My 110 year old farmhouse has a leaky basement. Doesn't flood all the time, but on average once or twice a year we get enough wet weather to cause an inch of so of water to cover much of the floor...maybe 30 gallons in at its worst.

Previous owner tried to plug the leak with waterproof concrete, but only succeeded in moving the leaks to the edges of his patches.

After 6-7 years here, I'm going to install a sump this winter. I'd like comments on the plan, or any advice you can lend. I will drill holes in the concrete where almost all the water usually comes in, then break through with a chisel and sledge. I'll dig out a circular pit about 18" round and a foot or two deep and line it with one of those plastic sump pit liners. I'll add a submersible pump, plumb with PVC to go out of the house on the downhill side and wire it up. Then I will cut a small channel along the wet side wall to the sump, to catch any few trickles that may come in along that side and channel them to the sump.

Any thoughts?

Tom A

mud- do this!    Posted 10-10-2004 at 09:04:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
use a plastic (abs) sump crock. use perferated plastic pipe in a gravel bed. use a submersable sump with a foot mounted check valve. we did this 20 years ago or so. no problem getting the water out of our celler, so long as the power aint out.
you'll do fine with your plan. just make sure the gravel bed is protected from any mud infiltration. use a sreening cloth to line the gravel bed. no sense is going through all this work just to have them perferated drain line fill up with mud.


Bob    Posted 10-10-2004 at 08:00:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
My advice is to dig the sump pit at least 2-1/2' to 3' deep.

The farther below the floor you can relieve the water level, the drier the floor will be.

Remember, also, that the sump pump won't turn on untill there's somewhere between 4" and 8" of water in the pit, and you want to keep that as far below the floor as possible.

I take a commercially-available plastic pit, and drill a gazillion little holes in the bottom half, and dig the pit plenty deep. I have used porous lava rock (sold at a home center, for landscape use), put a layer on the bottom, set in the plastic pit, and then backfilled around it with the lava rock. Besides being porous, the rock is lightweight, and easy to carry to the jobsite!

On one occasion, I bought 2 of the plastic pits, and cut over a foot off of one, and was able to telescope it inside the other pit for several inches, to make an extra deep pit. That really did the job, in a problem wet area I had in an old basement.

Another thing about the commercially available pits, they have a fitted cover, which could be a lifesaver for kids or pets!

Bob    Posted 10-10-2004 at 08:00:13       [Reply]  [No Email]

TimV    Posted 10-10-2004 at 07:29:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bkeepr: Sounds like you've got the basics well covered. One other thing to consider--when you put in the sump pump, put a check valve on the outbound side, particularly if you will be putting in a vertical rise before going outside. Otherwise, when the pump shuts off, the water in the vertical section will come back down and re-trigger the float valve on your pump. This will burn out a pump in short order. You may have already thought of this, but I've seen many installations without one, and in most cases they only learn the lesson when they have to buy a new pump after a couple of months.

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deadcarp    Posted 10-10-2004 at 06:02:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
we had a leaky basement too, and both pumps ran all summer.our neighbor had a pro job done - they sawed a gutter all the way around his concrete floor, mudded that and put some steel gridding on top for a screen, then drained that into the pit and buried some runoff pipes outside. $2000, lotsa work, but he can finish his rooms down there now. :)

Steve IA    Posted 10-10-2004 at 05:04:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If you haven't already, make sure the grade next to the house is sufficient to drain water away from the house. Add more dirt if necessary. Check the roof runoff. Are all the eve/downspouts in place, clean and draining away from the house? Does the old house even have 'em? A little prevention outside will help inside. Steve

Steve IA    Posted 10-10-2004 at 05:04:54       [Reply]  [No Email]

Bkeepr    Posted 10-10-2004 at 05:15:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks, checked most of the "easy" stuff, except for the grading. The house was built somewhat into a hillside, so the backyard slopes up to one of my fields about 100' of rise in 1,000' of run. This continues past the house, to my lower field which is about 75' below it to the front. I believe the water in the basement comes from underground runoff, what the old timers around here call a "winter spring." The surface run-off seems to be channeled into two small ponds away from the house.

Have considered trenching in a french drain around the upside of the house, but that seems like a huge project for the occasional wet basement, so after a lot of pondering I figured I'd try this first.

Tom A

Bkeepr    Posted 10-10-2004 at 05:15:45       [Reply]  [No Email]

mojo    Posted 10-10-2004 at 04:59:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Doesn't sound like you need advice to me. 8^)
Only thing is the levelness of the floor and getting the water to the pump. Sound like you've got things *well* in hand.(is it too early for bad puns?)

too early??    Posted 10-10-2004 at 05:16:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
sun's coming up over the hillside, so the day's half over!

Never too early for a pun!

Tom A

too early??    Posted 10-10-2004 at 05:16:54       [Reply]  [No Email]

mojo    Posted 10-10-2004 at 05:28:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your sun is ahead of mine, mines just now getting the clouds pink.
Since it's Sunday things must be moving slower.

mojo    Posted 10-10-2004 at 05:28:20       [Reply]  [No Email]

Clod    Posted 10-10-2004 at 07:15:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you think about these kind of problems.They can be hard work and expensive.But it also gives you an opprotunity to be creative. You can think about ways to solve the problem unconventionally. Most problems are solved in the name of tradition. Such as.> This is they way they have always done it. < Then eventually some person comes up with better solutions.Today we no longer ride around in ox carts. But the guy who showed up un a horse drawn wagon was told.No no no!,You have to do it this way. > This is the way we have always done it! <

Boz    Posted 10-19-2006 at 20:15:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
What is filter cloth and where do you get it?

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