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ron,ar    Posted 10-12-2004 at 19:36:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Supreme Court - AP


Supreme Court to Hear Commandments Case

23 minutes ago

By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court said Tuesday it will consider whether the Ten Commandments may be displayed on government property, ending a 25-year silence on a church-state issue that has prompted bitter legal fights around the country.


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Supreme Court to Hear Commandments Case
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Ten Commandments displays are common in town squares and courthouses and on other government-owned land, including the Supreme Court. A wall carving of Moses holding the tablets is in the courtroom where justices will hear arguments in the case.


Courts around the country have splintered over whether the exhibits violate the constitutional principle of separation of church and state.


The disputes have led to emotional battles, such as one in Alabama by Chief Justice Roy Moore, who lost his job after defying a federal order to remove a 5,300-pound monument from the state courthouse. The Supreme Court refused last week to help him get his job back.


But the justices agreed to address the constitutionality of displays in Kentucky and Texas. The case probably will be argued in February with a decision before July.


Supporters of the monuments celebrated the news.

"The Lord answers prayers," said former Judge-Executive Jimmie Greene of McCreary County, Ky., which was ordered to remove a display in the hallway of the county courthouse. Greene refused to do the task himself.


"I am a law-abiding citizen, but there is a higher power," Greene said. "I just could not remove that sacred document. Could you think of a better reason to go to jail than standing up in defense of the Ten Commandments?"


The Rev. Barry W. Lynn of Americans United for Separation of Church and State said the court should block all government displays of religious documents.


"It's clear that the Ten Commandments is a religious document. Its display is appropriate in houses of worship but not at the seat of government," Lynn said



Michele in VA    Posted 10-13-2004 at 11:38:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
I thank God every day for my wonderful life. I love
Jesus' teachings and wish all Christians would sit down
and actually read them once in awhile instead of
misquoting them out of distant memory. Christianity is
good. It keeps plenty of people out of trouble. But it
does NOT bode well for a democracy to have anyone's
religious symbols posted in city halls.

No one is saying keep the ten commandments out of
our 320,000 churches nationwide. But in order to keep
our various churchpeople's fingers out of our nation's
pie, we must keep them apart at the picnic table.

When you have a religion that is evangelistic, as are
Christianity and Islam, you have to keep those religions
away from the government because their MEMBERS
ARE MANDATED to convert others.

In some Islamic countries, muslims spread their faith by
oppression and intimidation. In our country, Christians
do it by ... in 1955, legislating "under God" into the
pledge (written in 1892); in the 1990's, legislating a
"moment of silence" before every school day that must
be kept silent or teachers will be fired and students will
be expelled; in the year 2002, legislating that a poster
containing the word "In God We Trust" hang inside the
front door of every school (these are Virginia laws now).

So what, you ask. Well, here's what: Only Christians
are responsible for these laws. No Buddhist, no
Muslim, no Hindu, no Jew is in on these legislations.
Only Christians, ONE CHURCH. Is that how you want
it? Is that what our founding fathers wanted?

If you believe our founding fathers wanted a Judeo-
Christian state, you should probably read a little more
on it: Go to: http://slate.msn.com/?id=2067499 .


screaminghollow    Posted 10-13-2004 at 09:51:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
As an historical example of one of the earliest legal codes, I have no problem with such a display. The moral dictates of most the 10 commandments are nearly universal in all cultures regardless of what religion is predominant in that culture. The ten commandments are accepted in principle by Jews, Christians and Moslems making it just short of universal in the US. Only a small fraction of the US population is of some other religion or agnostic. That they are also a religious symbol is in my opinion over shadowed by their historical significance. For those who are so anti religion that they complain about such displays, I'm surprised that almost all government offices shut down with pay to employees on Christmas. Why haven't they sued over that. How many Jews, Moslems and Buddists, complain that they'd rather work than be forced to take a day off for another person's religion. Isn't that an even more insidious diversion of tax money to recognition of a religion? Even in the old days, in Merry old religious England, Christmas was not a day off from work.
I'd also have no problem with a depiction of part of Hammerabi's code. Or the basic rules of society set forth by Gatauma or Confucious.

If folks want it displayed just to exhibit their own religious dictates in a public place, such a display is better off on the church's lawn. Just like a Nativity scene or a Mennorah, or a Kwanza symbol.

What about a Santa Claus depiction, or decorated evergreen depiction on public property. These are still symbols of Christmas, Oddly, I uderstand in Japan and a few other Non-Christian countries, Christmas has become big business. Buddists in those countries seizing upon the holiday to give gifts, depictions of Santa Claus and Christmas trees abound. Only to the small fraction of Christians there are these religious symbols.

That nut case southern court justice who was defrocked is an aberration. He supported the display solely for religious reasons, and then intentionally disobeyed a lawful court order. A judge who so disrespects a court order, that he intentionally disobeys it, demonstrates that perhaps other court orders should be ignored on principle and that leads to disrepect for all courts and eventually to chaos. (Which is kind of like the chief law enforcement officer of the land thinking it's ok to undermine the court system by commiting perjury. It was so proper to disbar Slick Willie.)

It is a matter of where to we draw the line to abide by the separation of Church and State. There are extremists on both side. I recently had a client take the stand. When the oath was administered the bailiff said something including "answering to God on the last great day" My client, part Lakota, said "If you change that to "Wahkantonka"(sp?), I do." A few weeks later, the bailiff told me he had folks say I do without thinking, he had some folks complain about the reference to God, but he never had someone do what my client had done, substitute the name of the supreme being the client believed in.


Let 'em take it......    Posted 10-13-2004 at 08:18:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
....and while they are at it, they can cut out their holidays too, Christmas, Easter, etc. No Xmas vacations, no holiday pay and so on!!


Bkeepr    Posted 10-13-2004 at 10:00:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Where I live, the school system has aleady done that to a large extent.

There is now "Winter Break" that just happens to span Christmas to New Years...but God help the system employee who wishes a student "Merry Chrismas." They also observe "Spring Break" which spans the time right around Easter, oddly enough...but again, don't tell any kid they should have a happy Easter.

But, because life (or the government) isn't fair, they do observe Yom Kippur and several other non-Christian holidays by name...I'm not sure why there's a difference, but I guess I'm just not edumacated enough.

Tom A


Super    Posted 10-12-2004 at 20:22:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I always kinda figured havin the 10 comandments around makes the lieing, cheatin, adultry commitin attorneys nervous while they are tryn to steal money outta somebodys pocket and so they figure "outta sight outta mind"


~Lenore    Posted 10-12-2004 at 19:44:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
"...whether the exhibits violate the constitutional principle of separation of church and state. "

There is nothin in our constitution about "seperation of church and state. The only constitution that has that is the communist constitution of Russia.

Our constitution only forbids the government from creating a government church like there was in England and why we moved from there,



Clod    Posted 10-12-2004 at 19:40:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
No room for God in government buildings.I fear for our future. The kinds who oppose God should not rule over me.


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