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Bass/Trout Co-Exist?
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Jay    Posted 04-29-2002 at 21:36:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have a decent sized (1/2 acre +/-) spring fed pond on my property that was stocked? with Large Mouth Bass years ago before I bought the property. Most are about a pound, caught a couple 3 pounders in the 8 months I have lived here.

Just wondering, if I was to throw some Trout in, would they co-exist? Any particular trout better?

Saw a school of around 50 bass circling the pond last weekend looking for food, so there's quite a few in there..


TimC    Posted 04-30-2002 at 21:07:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
I live in Tn but once in a while I get up into southern Ky. The guy I fish with uses a guide and they fish for Trout below Lake Cumberland the same way they fish for land locked Stripers, we call them Rockfish. Stripers in the 30 to 45 lb class and trout in the 8 to 12 lb class this time of year.
The brown do very well and the rainbows not quite as big. They are caught trolling a 3 to 4 inch live shad.

I fish a small river in Tn and use plugs for trout. Yo-Zuri lures in the long minnow shape.

Don't let anyone tell you a trout is not a preditor fish. I had a brown the year before last with 25 shad packed in its gut that were from 1.5 to 3.5 inches long. The fish was about 19 inches long


WallSal55    Posted 04-30-2002 at 07:40:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you don't get any answers here, call your local county extension offices, and ask them to
lead you to the right info--on proper pond stocking. We have a spring fed, with bass, sunfish, and one other type. Somebody came
fishing here, and threw something big in they were not supposed to, and upset the balance. So, my husband told everybody to fish that big one out. When it was caught, things got back to normal. We have had the pond shocked before and
they are able to tell you what fish are living
there already, and what ones need to be added to
balance the ecosystem. Very interesting experience!


Jim (Mi)    Posted 04-30-2002 at 07:38:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Bass are a pretty dominant fish. Unless you throw in big ones, they will chow. Any predator fish in a small pond will dominate. My father-in-law had pan fish overrunning his pond. A few decent sized pike and bass took care of that problem right away. How do you cook your bass ludwig?? I have only found beer batter to work on bass. My friend was a master chef, and the way he makes it is the only way I will even think of eating a bass.


DeadCarp - preparing bass    Posted 04-30-2002 at 08:26:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
People complain about bass having a muddy taste, but they're as good as any other fish. The trick is to trim out that color-stripe running under the skin along the sides. Thus properly cleaned, the muddy taste is gone. Not a bad idea with other fish too. A lot of fish, (carp, suckers, redhorse etc, not only bass) sift thru dirty water and nibble on the bottoms all day, so nature has provided this stripe as a place to store pollutants and heavy metals. Something like 90% of that nasty stuff is stored within that stripe, so do yourself a favor & don't even feed it to the pets.

If you routinely go out for restaurant fish, pull the fillet apart first and make sure the stripe isn't there. I'm sure they wouldn't intentionally poison you, but everybody takes shortcuts nowdays.


Jim (Mi)    Posted 04-30-2002 at 09:28:22       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks I will have to try that. We always catch bass right before dark when we are walleye fishing. If the bass bite it will be a good walleye night, they seem to go hand in hand. I love to catch them, but always throw them back. Another good fish to eat I found out is a pike, once you get past the bones. Got stuck in on a fly-in once. Rations were getting low, so we fryed one up, tasted very good actually.


Salmoneye    Posted 04-30-2002 at 12:19:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Northern is THE BEST eating fish IMHO!

Cut the head off...gut it...wash in cold water...run the insides with black pepper and a quarter stick of butter...wrap the whole thing in tinfoil 3 wraps...toss the whole bundle on the grill or in the coals of a fire...hard to overcook that way.
All the meat just forks away from the bones.

Mmmmmmm...


Jim (Mi)    Posted 04-30-2002 at 12:44:35       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Salmon are great that way. We generally smoke em, which is to rich for me,but last fall when we were salmon fishing, we were pulling up, and discovered we were dragging a little one who was to light to set off the downrigger. He was pretty beat up, so I was not gonna throw him back, since he was practically dead, and I figured it to be a waste. So I decapitated him, cleaned em, wrapped em, and BBQ'ed him. It was great, even the meat was a white color as opposed to the orange color. If you added Miracle Whip you would think you were eating tuna. Boy this fish stuff is making me hungry, gonna go home and check the freezer. Better yet it is smelt season, maybe I can go down by the boardwalk tonight and see if anyone has got any.


Greg VT    Posted 04-30-2002 at 13:42:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Walleye season opens this Saturday here in Vermont.Just in the nick of time as my freezer is empty and they are my favorite. My wife hates this time of year. From now till mid June she doesn't see much of me unless she wants to come along and drive the boat.


Jim (Mi)    Posted 05-01-2002 at 06:21:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The little lakes, walleye don't open for a while, but Lake St. Clair it never closes. I am the same way. I even scheduled my wedding around my activities. She originally wanted Oct-nope opening duck hunting, all the way thru dec. How bout Feb-nope rabbit season, and ice fishing season. how bout may-nope end of salmon season beginning of good walleye season. July-nope Lake Erie gets real good. August-pushing it since Lake Michigan picks up in salmon, but what the heck. I told her since we were gonna be together, it was best to schedule around my outdoor activities so I would never miss our anniversary. She is obviously VERY understanding.

Looked at my freezer--empty :>( I am very fussy about my fish, I will not buy lake fish from a restaurant, and generally throw fish back, and keep only a few. Usually walleye and perch are my whole diet. And perch I only eat in the winter fresh out of the ice, catch em, bring em home, defrost em, clean em, and eat em. Nothing better of any seafood IMO. The walleye I keep the 15-24 inchers. They taste the mildest. Usually I want fish the next day, so we keep em. I usually keep a few and give them away to the family who loves walleye. Unfortunately I still have to clean them.

My wife's the same-she reels in the pole, nothing more. She also doesn't eat fish, so I am chef-boy-ar-fish.


Greg Vt    Posted 05-01-2002 at 12:07:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My wife new what she was getting into too. I had her talked into a fly in trip for the Northern Quebec brook trout for our honeymoon. We ended up renting a camp on Lake Champlain for two weeks. Had the wedding and all right there. Wedding morning my best man and I were out bass fishing in our monkey suits waiting for show time. Anybody monitering channel 8 that day must of got a chuckle when they heard "come on in honey, time to get married".

Are you guys using "twinkie rigs" with slashers and cutbait for those Lake Michigan Salmon? We've been using them with great success on Eastern Lake Ontario the last couple of years. A friend over by Toronto had never heard of them last year. He laughed when we started setting up. He didn't laugh for long. 2 1/2 hours and eight 30+ salmon later he would have traded his kinds for the rigs we had with us.


Jim (Mi)    Posted 05-02-2002 at 06:46:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You definately got me beat. On my honeymoon we went to Hawaii, and I chartered a trip out. Was only allowed one day out alone. First time ever ocean fishing, and I got skunked. Went to Toronto once. We pull up to our hotel, all these people are dress to the tee for an evening out. The bus boy starts unloading our stuff. I tell him to make sure he doesn't forget my polls and box. You says your joking right, I said absolutely not. He goes first time on that one. But there you have to cab everything, or pay a fortune to repark.

Fly-in's are great. My uncle owns one out of Elliot Lake Ontario. We pulled some hogs out up there. Go to www.blakesoutpostcamps.com click on the Fly in Information. The first lake up is Embassy I am the last one on the right. Hard to see since they do not enlarge, but I am hoisting a 12.5lb Walleye. On two different trips I caught 12+ pounders. On two other occasions I caught Northern Pike's that were as long as my arms outstretched. This was about 10 years ago.

Not familiar with "twinkle rigs". I live in Port Huron, right off Lake Huron. In the spring we fish Huron. The Salmon and Lakers are high since they are chasing the smelt. We just troll bombers. Usually 4 off planer boards. Two on downriggers right at the bottom, and two long lines.

Late May-mid June we fish Lake St. Clair-St. Clair River. That's is where my dad is at, about 30 minutes up the road. Usually drag bombers around. But that is average 20 feet deep, so mid summer weeds start getting tall, and cleaning the lures gets old.

June-July Lake Erie. We troll hot-n-tots and Walley Wackers on long lines and planer boards.

August-Lake Michigan. We troll dodger set-ups. They are a big oval shaped piece of metal. It just waves back and forth to attract the fish. Then behind it we run about a 12 inch leader that has a squid looking set-up. Works real good. I got some great pics Of some Salmon and Lakers. Hopefully I can get them up on the web in the future.


Salmoneye    Posted 05-01-2002 at 04:44:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Got your leeches in the fridge?
That usually oogies out the Wife...

;-)


Greg VT    Posted 05-01-2002 at 11:49:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Nope. No leaches in the fridge. Although she was asking me if my buddies were going to throw a couple dollers at our electric bill to pay for the aerator keeping the Wood minnows alive in the 55 gallon drum in my garage. Told her not to worry, it would only be there for a couple two three weeks until the fish dropped back out of the river.


Greg VT    Posted 04-30-2002 at 07:38:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If your pond maintains enough oxygen throughout the summer and if it doesn't get to warm you should be able to keep trout. Most folks around here stock Rainbows as they are the least fussy about their enviroment. Your going to have to put in some pretty big trout or else all those one pound Bass will turn into three pound Bass before you know it.


Ludwig    Posted 04-30-2002 at 07:05:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wait, you've got a pond practically full of bass,
and you're worried about putting in trout?

Let me make sure I get this, the bass are
already there, established, doin fine, no
problems, tasty in the pan, and you want to go
out, and get ($$) some trout and put them in?

Now this might be a silly question, but what
do you have against bass?


Jay    Posted 05-02-2002 at 22:56:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]

lol..nothing against bass, but they say variety is the spice of life! It's rough coming home from work every day and catching only bass :)

Like a few others said, being the predators that Bass are, I'd have to put in some good sized trout. Then I might be upsetting the balance.

Guess I'll have to rough it with a pond full of bass. Lifes a b*tch!

Jay


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