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j    Posted 11-04-2004 at 09:55:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Can you list 5 things that George Bush has accomplished that has had a profound positive impact on the US?

I am having trouble thinking of 1!


Dug    Posted 11-04-2004 at 20:21:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
J,

Of course you are having trouble thinking of one, that is what happens when you blind yourself to the truth. But none of that matters now cause Bush is in and is accountable to no one, baby! Strap it on cause we are gonna see a true conservative at work for FOUR LONG YEARS!!!

Grinnin' from ear-to-ear,

Dug


ironhead    Posted 11-04-2004 at 14:59:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
the only impact the a- hole made on me is my job. i was just informed this morning, because of bush in office again we may not need you in the future. still up in the air yet, but not looking good. we are selling cars, trucks, tractors, mowers, parts and pieces just to fund the money for repairs for this winter on our dumps. OH, did i mention i work for the state. you know, snowplowing, paving, mowing , ditching, im a mechanic there. i was told while im still here, if anyone as so much needs a wiper blade, to take his keys and say sorry about your luck. i just can not for the life of me, figure out why people vote for a person who wants to take away jobs in this country. but its ok to send them to china or mexico. thanks for voting republican. i may not be on this board for awhile. i have to figure out what i can live with and without. my family is more important then my tractors and home. sorry if i sound like an a$$, im sorry. just a hard time for me and many co-workers.


Dug    Posted 11-04-2004 at 20:17:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sorry about your job, but BUCK UP!! Stand on your own two feet for crying out loud! Jobs come and go and the President doesn't make 'em or take 'em! Unemployment is at 5.4%, if you can't find a job in this economy, somethings wrong and it's not the Presidents fault!

Dug


BOSS    Posted 11-04-2004 at 19:58:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ummmm, I believe that is the fault of your governer, not the Pres.

I don't get you people, the President isn't a God, he has to go through all kinds of channels to do anything. He can't just wave a wand and make it all happen.


Quint    Posted 11-04-2004 at 19:23:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
The President has little to do with sending jobs overseas which is largely overblown problem that has been going on for decades. It is simply market driven. The dirty little secret in American politics is that the president does not make or take away jobs. He can adjust tax rates and regulations to encourage business but he can't create jobs other than government ones which are frankly detrimental to the economy for the most part.

As for Bush getting re-elected and now the road department is cutting jobs, that is more than likely not connected by anything other than someone's imagination. I've worked in a AFSCME shop. I know how it works. Federal highway funding will actually be going up about 3 billion dollars this year according to the non-partisan congressional budget office. If your particular state is having funding problems it is most likely a state budget problem not a federal one.

You seem to have an excellent skill set. You are a mechanic and have heavy equipment experience you might be better served by getting out into the private sector. I know people who can't find enough mechanics or people to run heavy construction machinery. That way you wouldn't be tied to a taxpayer funded job. Better yet look into working for yourself. It is much better for the soul of a man to be in control of his own destiny by running his own business than to have to worry about a boss. It makes you responsible for your own destiny and not beholden to either a boss or a Union. You succeed or fail on your own determination and merits not because some bureaucrat says there is no tax money for your job this year.

A friend of mine put it to me better than I could so I will quote him: "A man has a certain dignity when he stands in his own farm, runs his own business or when he owns his store. When he becomes a salaried warehouseman for a remote office in Milwaukee or works for the State under the thumb of a Union, the dignity goes. He is a number, and afraid of his boss or Union rep."

Trust me. I've been where you're at. Getting out of the state employment will probably be the best thing that has ever happened to you.


RN    Posted 11-04-2004 at 15:32:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Stateworker? What state? Does it have a Democrat for a governor? Democrat controled legislature? Balanced budget constitution? Are you a AFSCME member that had money taken from your paycheck to help elect Kerrey? - See Beck Vs Communication Workers union in Ohio, supreme court ruling 1984. Bush being re-elected shouldn't make much difference in honest state government. RN.


Burrhead    Posted 11-04-2004 at 15:39:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
RN they may have made a mistake on that one. I don't think Kerry ran in 1984. That was Orwell.

Our state highway dept has been getted since Bush was 1st elected here,, for the last 8 years we have been able to stay in Texas and drive on hog trails.


RN    Posted 11-04-2004 at 18:10:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Burrhead: Texas road conditions? I could check with my youngest brother in San Antonio (sic?) and ask about road maintenance financing. Mostly state responsibility? Nieghbor drove back through texas one winter, no problem with proper tires and chains. Stopped in town and police told him road he came on was closed/impassable. Cop then noticed Iowa plate and told him he could probable make it, Texas drivers didn't get practice on snow. Checked out car plates on road back- Iowa, Dakotas, Minnesotas, Vermont, etc. Texas plated vehicles parked including police for about 3-4 inches snow. Time to raise gas tax? Wisconsin about .43 a gallon, most roads blacktopped and concrete. Road builders do contribute to Republicans. Could try registration fee hike but transient Latinos may not pay? RN.


Burrhead    Posted 11-04-2004 at 18:35:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
In my district the roads are all state or county maintained except I-10. We have had physcal conservatives for 8 years and the till is simply empty.

The highway tax and gas taxes have been raised all along right on schedule but there s not enough highway money to pay everything I guess.

I noticed New Mex and Ariz voted n a higher registration fee and fuels taxes.


RN    Posted 11-04-2004 at 20:14:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
I-10 interstate? Federals have a responsibility for interstates, mostly building, less for maintenance. Couple years back I think I read article about 50% of maintnance for interstates from fuel taxes collected on the interstate gas stations. Could try toll roads like Pennsylvania and Illinois. Probably end up with a lot of offroad bypasses of toll booths. RN.


RN    Posted 11-04-2004 at 17:54:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
1984 was date of supreme court decision in Beck against Communication Workers of America from Ohio appeals court. Issue was union upper manegment/officers taking political campaign money form union workers/members paychecks without prior permission/authorisation. Bush1 had presidential order with procedures to be used published about new years at end of term, Bill Clinton rescinded order with his own order about 3rd week in office. Bush2 orders sent to unions getting cussed out by Dems who can't depend on some union officals pledges anymore. Teamsters union notices causing some embarrassment- local union members want Republican contribution publicity for name union as contributing to Bush. Wall street journal had article about Oregon teachers union - officials pledged dems couple hunred thousand from 34,000 teachers one election (84?) ,after state law passed requiring written permission prior to collecting money officials had to back out of contribution(88?)- only 800 members gave written permission for Democrat contribution as union endorsement publicity. Follow up story had about 2000 permission notices total- but about 400 were requesting Republican contribution, Ralph Nader had a couple hundred requested, other independents noted but not named. Wisconsin AFSCME member after asked admitted they had to have a rebate procedure- not as good as prior permission but Republicans can request return of unauthorised paycheck withholdings now. Under Clinton had to request hearing federal labor commissioner (Riesch?) who dismissed individual hearing request as De Minimus- money not returned. This legal history lesson for informational purposes only- sources quoted as best as I remember them, Check Teamsters, Wall Street Journal, Wisconsin AFSCME union, Congressional record for further info. RN.


Burrhead    Posted 11-04-2004 at 18:09:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
now-now RN in all fairness back before I saw the light and went repug you told me them congressional records was a bunch of liberal lies when I used them on an election issue.

Are ye telling me that my new found brethren have already scrubbed and purged them of the liberal lies???

I like this being a born again repug. Everbody and everthing is a lie unless one of us say it and everbody is a crook except one of us. hallaluyah


RN    Posted 11-04-2004 at 18:24:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Congressional records can be manipulated. Speeches for the record have been inserted late at night, corrections and cleanup of language has happened. John Kerry's attendance and votes are perhaps not correct on record? Bill Clintons speech's perhaps not correct? Possible, but the record can be used as reference until disproven by hearing records or trial testimony- has that happened a couple times already? Supreme court decisions ar recorded, sometimes tricky to look up without case name or number. Good to see you still like to start discussions- makes other people think and double check statements. I try to give my sources/referents, other people may use other sources, credibility of sources/referents is determination of reader. RN


Burrhead    Posted 11-04-2004 at 18:40:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yessir I still study what was said by the powers in play.

I think about 90% of the problems we have in America today are caused by educated people who choose to be ignorant.

After they have made their minds up by using false info, it would'nt matter if Moses and Joshua showed up with a burning bush and war report that opposes their belief that would be lying liberal news.


bulldinkie    Posted 11-04-2004 at 14:25:00       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Maybe you were for Kerry ,you would have had a worse time trying to make a list if he were president,hes not get over it...How about a list of all the garbage Kerry said hed do now theres a he%% of a list..A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE DID SOMETHING OR WOULDNT HAVE RE ELECTED HIM...


oslo again    Posted 11-04-2004 at 11:36:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I wish we would hold our other elected officials, Congressman and Senators, to the same scrunity as we do our President. I like the critizsm given to our elected Presidents. I don't like the extremeism, ie dumb, moron etc. That doesn't do anything but ratchet the debates up to a bad level. Our congress seems to get a free pass on their doings. ie I don't like politicians passing a really nice bill then only to add the "pork barrel" things that only add to the detriment of the country. There is where we should focus our critisms. We must air our complaints so these guys get our message. But, Congressmen are a crafty lot. Remember every time they wanted a raise their would be an outcry from the electorate. They fixed that, they now get an automatic pay raise. Another example of bad politics is the so called career politicians. Strom T. Harry B. Their enormous retirement benefits. Health care that they have but won't let us have. See what I mean. They need watching. I think most of our countries problems come from the Congress.


Dennis/Ennis/AR    Posted 11-04-2004 at 11:07:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
I voted for PRESIDENT George Bush because I feel he is good for our country.
It had nothing to do with Party Affiliation.
I voted a split ticket for all my locals.
Also I voted against the minority in Limiting Marriage to be between a man and a woman only, in my state.
So I am one person who doesn't "fit in" to all you guys voted party lines only.

Get a life, oops thats right you are posting on the GAL board.


arnold    Posted 11-04-2004 at 12:04:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
thanks ennis i,ll remember that.


Clipper    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:43:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
He beat Gore and Kerry.....2 biggies right there!!!


Quint    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:27:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not a particular Bush fan but here are some quick ones.

He retaliated against the terrorists when we were attacked. Bill Clinton did nothing when Bin Laden attacked the WTC the first time and blew up the USS Cole, bombed our embassies etc.

He stopped the radical left from imposing their sick and twisted social agendas (gay marriages etc) on people who didn't want them.

He made an effort to stop blatant infanticide known as partial birth abortion. A diabolical procedure in which a fully formed baby is withdrawn from its mother, has scissors inserted into the back of the skull and its brains sucked out.

Provided proper funding for the military.

Took our defense and responsibility out of the hands of the UN and back to ourselves.

Told the globalist busybodies in the UN to take a hike and keep their noses out of our domestic issues.

Let the Clinton gun ban expire.

Hasn't sent in tanks to demolish churches in rural Texas and burn the occupants.

Told the green nazis we weren't going to cripple ourselves with the Kyoto treaty.

That is more than 5 but you get the point.


big fred    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:48:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Add cut our taxes so we can spend our money as we see fit and as a first step towards reducing government spending. Other than that, you pretty much summed it up.

By the way, I feel a lot more secure in my job under Bush's 5.4% unemployment "disaster" than I ever did under Clinton's 5.4% unemployment "miracle".


~Lenore    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:40:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks, Quint, you said it much better than I could have and I approve of your message.
~Lenore


oslo in nc    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:02:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Can only name one thing.

1. George Bush succeeded Bill Clinton.

Now name 5 things Bill Clinton accomplished and had a profound possitive impact on the US?


j    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:05:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
The reason I made this comment is because so many people were SOOOOOOOOO pro Bush. I want to know why. I can't stand the "because I am Republican" This is not an adequate answer. If the only reason you voted for Bush is because you are Republican, you are now of sound mind. I personally did not like either candidate.


Dave 2N    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:13:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You don't understand our country. George Bush is right for our country in much more than five ways.


j    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:07:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I meant "NOT of sound mind"


RN    Posted 11-04-2004 at 23:17:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
I got same problem keying- new glasses, little bitty letters, no proper spellchecker, did I mention really needed glasses? If I use all caps it means cataracts blurring sentence. RN.


toolman    Posted 11-04-2004 at 12:17:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
you should fit right in here and we should get along well, im not of sound mind either , well most of the time im not the rest is a flaw.lol


Cheer up j .....    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:46:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
in 4 years you'll have Hillary ta root fer....


big fred    Posted 11-04-2004 at 10:49:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Right up until the election when she manages to squeak out 158 electoral votes.


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