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Dan G/Soganofla    Posted 05-01-2002 at 11:38:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I need some quick advice. We have a number of dogs, all of whom have been "drop-offs" and rescues. Now, we have an outbreak of Parvo. We have lost 3 pups, and another one ain't feeling so good. We are vaccinating all of the ones that remain, but what can we do about the unannounced new arrivals. People just toss the pore lil' tykes out on our road, and sometimes we don't even know they are here for a couple of days. By then, they are already infected. Any ideas?
Also, I can't afford to take them all to the Vet every time one gets sick. What should I be doing to care for them after they have contracted the disease?


Ole Cuss    Posted 05-01-2002 at 16:23:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Dan, if you need me on this topic anymore, please email me directly, as I no longer plan to visit the KL Boards.


Katrina    Posted 05-02-2002 at 10:27:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am just getting to know you but I will miss ya just as well. Hope you come back for those of us who appreciate all opinions.


Tom A -- gonna miss OC    Posted 05-02-2002 at 02:29:26       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Old Cuss:

I am sorry to hear you won't be around here anymore. You will be sorely missed.

Tom A


Mark Hendershot    Posted 05-01-2002 at 19:43:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your great information you post will be greatly missed. I hope you come back again! You know your stuff! Mark H.


Ole Cuss    Posted 05-01-2002 at 13:01:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You have my sympathy, Dan, because this is a very severe and heartnreaking problem.
As you well know, parvovirus is so very contagious that strict isolation of the sick from the healthy plus repeated sanitary measures are required for control of outbreaks. Any new pup or dog that appears, whether it seems sick or not, should be kept isolated from your "keeper" dogs, even if your dogs have been vaccinated. The time from exposure to the virus to onset of symptoms is variable, and may be as little as 48 hours or as long as a week. Giving parvo vaccine to a dog which has been exposed won't stop the infection if it's already cooking in their system, but if the virus hasn't gained a foothold, then it's a race between onset of immunity and onset of infection. (Generally, it takes about a week for protective immunity to build up after a vaccine is given. Vaccines don't give instant protection). You might want to have animal control pick them up ASAP; advise them that the strays may be parvovirus infected. Nothing these strays contact should be brought into contact with your dogs: water bowls, food bowls, collars, leads, blankets, bedding, etc.; burn or throw these things away after you are finished with them, or they can be disinfected with a strong bleach solution if you want to keep using these materials for your strays. Anyone who handles the strays, even casual patting or touching, should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS wash their hands in a bleach solution afterwards (at least 1 part bleach to 30 parts water). Wash anything on yourself that touched the stray. When you walk where the strays have been kept, use disposable shoe covers or keep a dip pan with the bleach solution for washing and scrubbing your shoe bottoms. The parvovirus can live in soil and on inanimate objects for up to three months, so if a sick parvo dog has excreted diarrhea or vomit on a spot of ground and you walk there a month later, you can still carry it to a susceptible dog and infect them. Use the bleach solution liberally and repeatedly on any area where you have isolated the sick ones in a kennel, pen, dog house, etc. There is precious little that will help a dog in the throes of advanced parvovirus infection, and even with intensive in-hospital treatment, they often die. They suffer severe and rapid dehydration due to vomiting and the bloody diarrhea. I have seen dogs healthy-looking one morning and dying that same evening, only eight hours later: this is how fast and hot that virus can be. The virus attacks not only the gastrointestinal tract but also the bone marrow (where it actively prevents the body from producing the immune blood cells necessary to fight the infection) and the heart. You can try to keep the poor fellows comfortable and hydrated with fluids like sugar water, but they probably won't be able to keep down anything you give them by mouth. I don't know whether I have been much help; parvo is often a no-win situation, and you may end up watching a lot of the strays die despite your best efforts. Still, it is worth the hard work to try to keep it out of your keeper dogs. Please feel free to email me if you need further assistance. I was at the vet college at U of Fla in the middle of the one of the first parvo epidemics as it emerged as a "new" disease of dogs. We didn't even have vaccines for it back then. I gained a lot of sad experience in parvo at that time. Good luck to you.


Dan G/Soganofla    Posted 05-01-2002 at 13:55:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks, Ol Cuss. It hasn't yet been confirmed that Parvo is the culprit, but it seems likely. My wife is taking the latest wimpy one to the vet to have some tests done. From what you are saying, it may be something else, as we haven't seen a lot of vomiting or diarrhea. What other possibilities are there? These little guys just got weak, wouldn't eat or drink, and died within 2 days. No other symptoms were noted.


Ole Cuss    Posted 05-01-2002 at 16:16:26       [Reply]  [No Email]

Vague clinical symptoms in which the pup or dog fades and dies in a short period ot time is a real challenge. Just a heavy load of intestinal parasites like roundworm, tapeworm, and especially hookworm and whipworm can drag a pup or dog down to the point of fatality; severe parasitism can also weaken the animal so it has less resistance to infectious diseases, like distemper, herpesvirus (the canine variety is NOT contagious to humans or other species), adenovirus, leptospirosis, and parvovirus. The form of parvovirus that attacks the heart may occur without producing the classic vomiting and diarrhea symptoms. I would consider all of the above-mentioned disease agents as likely candidates that can manifest as simply a "Fading Puppy" syndrome without mmuch in the way of specific signs before death. An autopsy by a competent vet on a typical sick pup who dies may be helpful to pinpoint a diagnosis.


TimC    Posted 05-01-2002 at 12:51:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mix half and half water and chlorine and spray bedding area, feed and water pans, anywhere they tend to lounge around and as much of the ground around these areas as you can taking into consideration you could kill some grass.
The virus can survive in the ground for a long time, FYI.

I had a pup lab that got it and had enough of the high vet bills so i force fed him some pepto, (the pink stuff). Set a fresh pan of water beside him and said good luck. He was still there the next morning and had taken a couple small drinks of water. The next day he was walking and eating a little soft food.

The virus damages the lining of the intestines and causes them to dehydrate. If you know a nurse you might talk them into starting an IV. By the time you discover it the virus has run its course, the animal is throwing up and has the squirts and the dehydration is usually what gets them.

This may or may not be good advise. Take it for what its worth.


Dan G/Soganofla    Posted 05-01-2002 at 13:14:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks, TimC. Your info is consistant with what I've been reading about prevention. I might try the Pepto trick.

The big problem is: I have 20 acres with 15 structures and numerous vehicles and farm implements that they can get under, as well as a sawmill, stacks of lumber and piles of logs. If I sprayed enough chlorine to kill the virus, I'd not only damage my equipment and inventory, but I'd probably run afoul of the EPA. Of course, if I killed all the grass, I could sell the lawn mower and eliminate one place they can hide.;-)>>>

I don't have any way to prevent a newly dumped puppy from hiding under the same building where the last one died. It is a pretty sad situation, to which there seems to be no easy solution.

Our county is ver rural, and has no animal shelter. We have a lot of migrant labor activity from the tomato industry. Every time they plant or harvest, a few pups seem to get dropped off on our road. We gained 5 this planting season, not counting the 11 from the pregnant one that was dumped. We found homes for 9 of the 11, and the other 2 died.


TB    Posted 05-01-2002 at 13:40:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
You may want to check but I would think if you can get them to drink some Pedalite may help.


Ole Cuss    Posted 05-01-2002 at 16:19:42       [Reply]  [No Email]

A very good suggestion! Pedialyte and other similar oral rehydrating agents can be beneficial, if the pup can be made to drink it and can keep it down.


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