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Looking to start another bussiness got any ideas?
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Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 19:31:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Say you had $50K-100K to start a bussiness what would you want to start up? I have been mostly self employed for the last 20 years so I understand the paper work and licencing end of it. I probley have had 3-4 different companys in that time including being a Electrical Contractor for 13 years. I want to start another one to fill in around the Fire Season one which could include my Wife but mostly my Daughter as my Wife allready has her own. Don't want to go into the building trade anymore real burnt out on it doing it so many years allready. I have been picking my brain and hit a wall and there are a lot of inventive mines on this site! Any legal ideas will be conciderd, got any?? Thanks, Mark H.

ron,ar    Posted 11-07-2004 at 08:25:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hear the Democratic national committee is looking for new ideas and leadership:^)

Willy-N    Posted 11-07-2004 at 08:28:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good job for steve but they need more than some good ideas. Good leadership would sure help also! Mark H.

BOSS    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:32:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Mark, I already have way too many pots on the fire, but when I had some time I was going to look into this. It can easily be run with one or two guys, you can make your own schedule. You can work as much or as little as you like. I'm only giving you this because you live far enough away from me, that you won't be any compatition when I get it started.

Gerrit    Posted 11-07-2004 at 05:53:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Interesting idea! I guess Puerto Rico is also far away enough, so I'm gonna look into it..

BOSS    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:36:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
The curbmate is the one I am interested in.

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:35:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Interesting! I have seen curbing machines work befor but never this way. I will read more about it tomorrow. Thanks, Mark H.

DCM    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:43:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Howdy Mark, I was thinking after reading your post about some of the successful small businesses around here, the guys with the skidsteers are doing alright, the do snow removal, landscaping,tree spading,barnyard cleaning, haul their units around with some pretty shiny dually trucks. Seem to be busy year round or as busy as they want to be anyway. Dan in AB

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:52:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was just looking into the Skid Steerson EBay tonight. They look like they run around 14-20K for one. I have never run one but I am trained on a Dozer. I am going to do some further resarch into those too. Snow removel and clean up work during the summer is something that can work around here. Mark H.

James(Ga)    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:28:54       [Reply]  [No Email]

Mark, you and Toolman stay away from those coal piles.

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:34:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Toolmans lucky my stove burns wood! I might tap into his side line!! Mark H.

toolman    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:40:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
hmmm not sure you can now that all you got is that slow ole dodge lol.

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:43:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Can allways fill the tender tank up and sneak across the border with it! I can carry more weight in it then your pick up. Then you would have to make two trips to my one. I wonder if we could compete or work a deal now?? Mark H.

toolman    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:45:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
i,ll talk to bob about it and let ya know haha.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 20:38:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Weren't you the one who was producing dog cookies? I've been in the petfood industry for 20 years, doing product development, production plant design etc. Petfood, especially snacks and treats, is still a good business opportunity in my opinion..

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 20:52:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes been doing it for around 14 years now. That one is done completly at home and is still growing. We bake around 14,000 lbs a year now. I don't need to help that much anymore so I need something of my own to do. Thought of getting a Small Newer Dozer that could be run around here for one thing. It could allways be used on the fire lines also. But getting my Daughter to opperate it is another story? I have to much free time on my hands and need to get back into something again. Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:11:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, did you talk to your daughter about it? What would she like to do?

Some ideas I've had and never realized because I was too busy with other businesses include:
- a mail order business for herbs and neutraceuticals including (online) consulting
- a lunch service business. Imagine a motorhome-like vehicle with a big built in kitchen to prepare sandwiches, fresh salads, fruit juices etc. and park it close to an office center. Sell over the counter and also provide delivery at the offices.

Some things I did and am ( going to ) do :
- a real estate management company. I'm involved in the start-up of a company like that right now.
- palatability testing for petfood. I had a successfull test institute in Germany. It's still running and doing good business.

deadcarp    Posted 11-07-2004 at 02:57:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
lunch truck business sounds lie fun - we saw a neat operation at a koa campground years ago. the couple had a big awning on their motorhome. they'd make sure it was alright with the campground guy, then at daybreak they'd swing the awning up and fix pancake breakfast for the campers. by 11 am they'd made gas money & were gone.
an established route would depend on competition. for example my buddy ran 60 catering trucks in california. if a new guy started taking over an area, he could just raise everything else a nickel, mark down that route & run a couple trucks at a loss for however long it took to starve them out.

Gerrit    Posted 11-07-2004 at 04:26:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
That would be a nice way to make some extra bucks when traveling the USA..
Gotta talk to Burrhead - maybe he will rent me his motorhome for a couple of

I was looking into this lunch catering idea when I lived in Germany. Many people I knew complained about the bad quality of the food in their company restaurants. I never went on with the idea because of the inflexability of the authorities. It was virually impossible to get all the required permits and licenses..

Willy-N Japan    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:37:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Japan is one of our markets but Import Regulations makes it hard to import anything with meat in it. Ostridge can still be shipped there with out problems that is why we made a Jerky out of it. Mark H.

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:29:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
My Wife has been into Dog Food and what it needs for close to 20 years now. Done lots of research into food problems and related allergies. Not sure how many more years she can keep up with Baking Custom Dog Cookies have cut out up to one million a year. We have a lot of comercial equipment and plan to sell the customer list and resipies someday with the company. We just don't realy like working for anyone other then our selves now. Dog Food and things related around them does sell! Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:53:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
I might go back into pet food consulatncy for a project in Europe. An old business friend of mine is going to set up a production for canned dogfood in Hungary and if things work out, I might do the plant design and the product development for him.. Would be nice!

I'm also looking into starting a small production over here in Puerto Rico..

Please give me the link to your dog trest website. I've seen it but it's long ago..

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:02:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here it is. Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:19:37       [Reply]  [No Email]

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:18:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now looking into a Mobile Slaughter Truck. There is only one other one in Washington that can do this. It is a truck you can take to the rancher and do USDA Slaughter so the beef can be sold to a store or restraunt and cut out the Slaughter House. That way the animals do not have to be shipped by truck and go thru the yards and mess up the meat with drenaline. More humane way being done at the ranch and meat can be sold localy this way. I am still looking into it. Bigger investment but we have lots of ranchers that have to haul there cattle a long ways to have it done. My daughter is realy into Ranching and right up her alley too. Lot of hoops to go thru dealing with the USDA Inspectors too. Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:25:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds interesting! How is the legislation in the USA for slaughtering? From my experience in Europe I know that an inspector of the local equivalent of your USDA has to be present in the slaughterhouse and inspect ( among other things ) every single animal. Would you have to take an USDA inspector with you on that truck?

A nice second leg of this business could be in the pet food business again. Use the meat-by-products for producing dog treats...

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:14:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Another thing is now once this has been done you can ship meat frozen to other places to. Having no Hormones or Antibotics and grass fed can get more money per pound along with being certified all natural too and know where the meat came from. Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:22:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds really good! I guess that lots of people are willing to pay more for high quality all natural products.
Who certifies these type of products?

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:29:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know that much about it. My Daughter had our place certified and we are I belive the only place in Washington at the moment who is. I just learned about it and saw the certificate today. Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:33:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, Mark, nice talking to you this evening!
Gotto go now - I just saw it's 2:15 am.. That's why I have problems to keep my eyes open I guess...
Good night and see you around..

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:37:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Me too the wife just came up for bed! Mark H.

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:33:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes that is one of the problems he has to inspect the whole process. But if you were to do a complete herd it would be profetable. There is also the Dog Food market for the better meat to go into the food to. I have access to many Ranchers in our area who realy need another way to deal with this problem. The All Natural Meat Market is growing and we are now certifed raisers of meat. Not having them go to a slaughter house makes them worth a lot more to a lot of people and restraunts. This is something she brought up and building the truck would not be that hard to do. Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 21:57:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just wondering, what kind of capacity would you have in that mobile slaughterhouse? Do you plan to completely process slaughtered animals? How do you take care of cleaning, disposal of waste etc.? Is there any info online?

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:08:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
The one unit in operation dose 10 steers at a time. Of course you could have a refregerated truck nearby to transfer them into. It is on line under a search of"Mobile Slaughter Truck" you have storage for waste on the truck and deal with a rendering outfit for disposal of it or leave it on site to be disposed of. Complete slaughter down to quartering of the animal. Then you take the carcase to a restraunt or store to be cut up and wraped or be cooked for food. Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:26:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I found the website of this Austrian guy who patented the mobile slaughterhouse.
It looks great. His philosophy makes sense also especialy the part about the stress factor and the influence on the meat qualit.

I guess you'd have to invest some more than the amount you mentioned in your original post though...

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 22:32:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
I would build my own truck to save over 50% if I did it. Having a custom truck built is a big investment. There is one in Washington State also that cost 150K to set up. But I beleive you could build you own for a lot less. Mark H.

Gerrit    Posted 11-07-2004 at 04:51:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mornin' Mark,

I found a site of the Oregon dept. of agriculture where an investment of 250 K is mentioned..

I think when you build your own, you will save lots of money, no doubt. I guess the USDA will have to inspect the truck before you get a permit/license to operate the unit..

toolman    Posted 11-06-2004 at 19:57:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
don,t want to get into the nighttime transportation bussiness do ya?

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 20:01:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
But on the other hand what ya got to haul at night? Mark H.

toolman    Posted 11-06-2004 at 20:04:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
well might be best that ya don,t get into bussiness with me, maybe try burr seems he don,t need as high a bail .lol

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 20:05:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
We can discuss that one off line don't want to give away any good deals! Mark H.

toolman    Posted 11-06-2004 at 20:11:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
i hear ya , well duty calls see you all in a couple of hours.

Willy-N    Posted 11-06-2004 at 19:59:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Naw looking for a day time job. I all ready have one of those. I want to get something my Daughter can work at also and take over later on? Mark H.

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