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Tom the Linux guy. or if you like Linux
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Clod    Posted 11-10-2004 at 15:39:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Tom.I think you recommended the Best Data external modem for my Linux systems.I now have two of those to keep my other PCs ready to run.Linux picks out A modem driver for them because the driver disk is for Windows.But they work good on either. I found out the easy way to get Mozilla and Yahoo IM into the Xandros.I went to the sites directly before, But it was tricky to get them to open and apply,So I saw a search box on Xandros net as I was down loading updates.I typed Mozilla and got it through the site,Then Yahoo IM. Both were much easier to get going that way.My pal in Calif says I need no anti virus or spywear scanner .But a good operating firewall is all I need.Thanks for the help awhile back.I have several versions of Linux but Xandros 2 OPEN is my favorite.4 bucks is all it cost.

TomH    Posted 11-10-2004 at 17:19:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Glad to hear you're making such good progress.

A firewall is always a good idea with any OS; log in as root only when necessary (I usually just use the su command when I need to be root) and make sure the root password isn't something that can be guessed. Virus and spyware software can't get anywhere in Unix unless they can run as root (that's most of the problem with Windows security, every user is usually running as an administrator).

I bought a dual processor motherboard on ebay last week. As soon as it arrives I'll have a new toy to waste time on (planning to install FreeBSD 5.3 because it's supposed to have a lot of good multi-processor support, but I don't know what I'll do with it after that).

PS ...    Posted 11-10-2004 at 17:39:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Only log in as "su" when you need those priviliges. Its a good habit to get into.

Su, as you know, is "God" on the operating system. Treat those priviliges as such and you'll have a safe Linux system.

UNIX has a setting that does not allow prompt login to root. Does Linux? I ask because I am not a Linux person. I a bringing it up because that feature is a nice way to give you a gentle reminder that you are logged in with ALL THE POWERS.


Clod    Posted 11-10-2004 at 18:26:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
I liked the comments by the two of you. I will have to figure out the thing of logging in .Question,If you have not entered the root password is that safe? Or do put in the password? The dual processor motherboard sounds like fun. I wonder what all you can do with that? Seems it can be faster than the regular single ones.

Peanut    Posted 11-10-2004 at 19:10:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you try to log in as root (su), you should be prompted with a password authentication request. At that point you login is as root. Once logged is as root, u r "God" on the 'puter.

You are not "safe" while logged in as the admin of your machine ... no one is.

Do yourself a favor and make sure you at least two user accounts ... one with su and the other with generic user permissions.

Nice to hear from you clod.

Clod    Posted 11-10-2004 at 19:13:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh,,Peanut.I know how to create two accounts. "SU"?? I do not know about.

Clod    Posted 11-10-2004 at 19:29:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Get yourself a Linux/UNIX book ($11 cheap from amazon). Don't play in the "command prompt world" (UNIX/Linux) without a good book. O'Reily publishes the best 'puter manuals. Ask Volk if'n you don't believe me.

SU means Super User - all rights to all things electronical for you on your setup/network.

When you log in as a user (clod for a userID example) you are given priviliges the SU allows you. If you can log in as SU then you are the master of your 'puter and can grant and revoke priviliges as you see fit. Kinda fun unless its just you and the dog :^)

What the H###    Posted 11-10-2004 at 19:31:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Clod, this was my post. Somehow it ended up with your handle.

Don't want you to be blamed for any of my jibberish.

- Peanut

Clod    Posted 11-10-2004 at 19:09:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
FROM A FRIEND WHO IS A COMPUTER NERD. >>>>>>>>>>>>>The way Linux is built, anti virus sofware is not an issue, as they are made to attack Windows systems (by and large), and have no effect on Linux installations. So long as you run your box as a "user", rather than as "root", you have little to worry about. Holes in the system that may expose you to problems are patched by the distribution team. Update regularly, and you should be fine. Most all Linux flavors also come with a firewall to keep you invisible to outside intruders sniffing around to find an unlocked door to your PC. Look for it in your help system, and set it up if it is not turned on to begin with. Some flavors turn it on at install, while some let you choose. I would turn it on, as it is a good condom against bored hackers.

Spyware is also an area that Lnux suffers little from, as even though cookies are loaded into your system (they can be casual spyware ), they are needed for many sites, and can be purged from time to time to start from scratch. The real spyware bugaboos that _iss on a Windows users' parade just don't work on a Linux system, as if you are logged in to your normal user account, nothing coming in from the net has enough permission to modify system files, or install system wide programs. If something is installed on your system, you had to login as root to make it happen.

If you keep your flavor up to date, you have little to worry about. Anti virus and anti spyware programs are a lifelong marriage to a Win user. You are pretty much exempt. Just turn on your firewall. There are anti-virus mail scanners available for Linux, but their purpose is to look for viruses that you might pass on to Windows users, and are not really concerned with preventing your machine from becoming infected. Every Win user should have their own anti-virus program installed, so unless you are running a Linux mail server that might help spread a Win virus at a rapid rate, I would save the money, and hope the Win users have the extra cost option of an AV program installed on their PC.

I'm glad you enjoy the Xandros2 flavor of Linux. What you learn with that version will carry over to other versions that you might try in the future. Now that many versions are offered as "live CD's" that can run without boogering up your hard drive, you can play to your heart's content, and see what is new without commiting to it. After all is said and done, I think you will love this adventure.

I did get your Yahoo address in the PM. My dear old Mom is getting knee replacement surgery tomorrow, and I will drive her to the hospital in the morning, but I should be back online tomorrow night, so I'll try to look you up on Yahoo then.


Peanut    Posted 11-10-2004 at 19:22:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Volk knows what he is talking about.

Every PC user (Linux, Windows, Mac, OS2) should never log in to their machine and browse the internet with Administrative rights. This is an attack waiting to happen.

Volk is correct, most attacks are written to exploit Microcrap products. Linux is pretty far under the radar screen. Actually, most hackers probably run a flavor of Linux. The only reason it is not exploited to the extent MS is simply because of its popularity.

Oh yeah, before I get get hammered by the "open source" police, open source operating systems encourage bullet-proof security. For example, who in their right mind would release vulnerable software as open code when all the "brainiacs" can tear it apart in less than 4 minutes. Microcrap does because it is not open code, others do because they are smart.

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