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Arab mind set???
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oslo in nc    Posted 11-13-2004 at 06:28:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Do any of you wonder what the Arabs really think about us or how they would treat us if they became a major influence on the rest of the world. When my wife watch some of their actions and invariably try to understand where these people are coming from. It is a complex issue that can only be understood if we understand their history and culture. I don't think thousands of years of existance can be changed in a few short decades. These people hatted us when the Christian Crusades took place. Believe it or not they still do.

We fought England over our independance and immediately after the war we loaned them money to helped their cash strapped government. We forgave and moved on. This mind set helped make us the great country that we are. The Arabs, on the other hand, still hate all christians to this day, even thoug centries have passed.

I'm still trying to figure them out and I always arrive at the same conclussion. It doesn't look good.

On a possitive note, my wife corresponds with a young Iranian boy from a well to do family. If I were to describe him you would swear that he was a typical American. No kidding, he has the typical girl problems and his mother has every concern that all mothers have. He describes the teen age girls wearing the burkas(sp), but underneath they wear tight fitting jeans. They all have cell phones and the girls, because they aren't allowed to be seen talking to boys, so as is typical of all teens, they pass notes to boys with their cell phone numbers. The confussion I have here is their government still has the old tradition and society must be warry. When the elders pass on, maybe that part of the world will change. I hope so.

My wife on the other hand has talked with an older fella from Kuwaite(sp). He goes to work about 10 am has breakfast served by a servant, has lunch and quits at about 2 pm. That's his work schedule. No work ethic, Think about it. Moving around the desert for centuries what kind of work ethic can a person develop? He blames everyone else for his problems. His wife. He$$ he even has blamed my wife for some of his problems. She no longer corresponds with him because he can not or will not believe that he could possibly be personally responsibilty for his problems. He speaks of freedom in his country but as an example, in That country, it is against the law to say anything against the leaders of the country. You will be arrested. Yet he can't comprehend how we, in this country, attack our leaders in outright anger or in jest. If you are not a citizen of that country you have absolutely no rights. To get a divorce, you merely have to kill your wife and say that she was unfaithful, whether true or not.

I could go on but won't. I'm really looking for more answers and hope that some of you have personal experiences that can better help me understand what in the world is going on in the Mid East.

oslo again    Posted 11-13-2004 at 11:22:22       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I read the replies and am pleased that people have views. Our views are formed by our experience with the subject; however, our experiences are slight when it comes to the Arab people. I think, we as Americans, would be better served disagreeing, it that is the case, rather than questioning someones intelligence or politics. I, for one, want to know more about them so that I can better understand where we as a country are headed. I choose not to follow countries such as France, because that is another country that I don't understand. I choose to be very sceptical of the UN because of all the scandles we hear about. I tend to believe our leaders more because we will hear from the opposition and to a degree the press, immediately. That is what gives me faith in our country, not so much the leader but the strength of the opposing parties. This keeps them honest, maybe. I believe Bush will be a great president if he has, to state an old addage, loyal opposition. Right now I don't see the Dems as having the structure to be just that. They appear to in the midst of a power strugle. Time will only tell the outcome because the grass root democrat won't have much say in who the leaders will be. That may turn out to be a shame.

I don't mean to bring up a partician fight hear. Both parties need to be examined. I didn't vote for Bill Clinton but I know he did many good things and history will bring that out. I felt the same about Harry Truman and JFK. But, history has revealed that all in all they weren't that bad, even for a Republican.

I won't defend Bush like I would a family member. For some reason that happens a lot. Many people who demonstrate that a bad Democrat is better than a good Republican, or vice a versa is someone whom I dislike talking with. So I won't respond to that person. Their is no point. No politican is that good and doesn't deserve that kind of endorsement. The politicians do. That how they get their base.

I once talked to a pilot who was transporting a Gov. candidate, in Pa., a few years ago, so he was privi to private conversations by the candidate. The candidate said as he was emerging to an airport crowd said "Well, let's go tell them what they want to hear" I'm afraid that is a very common practice from both parties. It is difficult for me but I try to be as sceptical of my party leader as the opposing candidate.

Be civil with your criticism, here, and I think we might, just might, be a better informed public.

nurdnk    Posted 11-13-2004 at 21:01:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
really enjoyed reading your post, and steves too. it seems any time some one tries to start a good dialogue on the arabs the radical right turns it into real hate posts. i guess if you have an opinon they cant comprehend, scream liberal, that all ways works. bill

Randy    Posted 11-13-2004 at 06:46:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Might try this place for a few insights,

steve19438    Posted 11-13-2004 at 06:35:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
think about it. suppose a people invaded your state and tried to change your religion, culture, way of life and anything else you hold true and dear to your heart. that's what the crusades were about and we are still trying to do the same thing a thousand years later. no wonder they hate us.

Gunner    Posted 11-13-2004 at 07:27:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
But I thought it was all about oil? Which one is it?

The only people trying to change the religion, culture, way of life and anthing else held true and dear are the people right here in the USA. They are called liberals

Dug    Posted 11-13-2004 at 07:16:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]

I can honestly say, I am at a loss for words. I have heard your type of logic spewed before and can only shake my head in utter disgust at such stupidity. I suppose you hold the belief that 9/11 was our fault, too?


Cindi    Posted 11-13-2004 at 06:58:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was listening to an interview of two men from Iraq who came here five years ago and opened a gas station.

One of them said..

"For all you Americans who question the liberation of the Iraqi people...I challenge you to go over there and spend one month in Iraq under Saddam's rule. They cut your tongue out for speaking against Saddam. They cut your ears off for refusing to fight in the army. I was held for six months in jail and tortured, hung from a celing fan and shocked with electricity. I still have the scars."

Steve, I have heard from enough young Iraqi people that I get the impression that the reason they hate us is because we allowed this kind of stuff to continue in order to keep the channels open for oil trade.

"You wanted our oil so you turned a blind eye to what Saddam was doing to us!"

Now we hear...

"You want our oil so you come over here and take over!"

This kind of logic may make sense to you, but I tend to think in broader terms. I don't really care if they hate us because frankly, you can please some of the people some of the time and some of the people NONE of the time. All I care about is that we are stronger than them. Full stop.

Mugway    Posted 11-13-2004 at 07:07:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with you,Cindi we will never please everybody,if you like me ok,if you dont ,thats ok too.

Les    Posted 11-13-2004 at 06:51:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
You just love to play that moral equivalence game, don't you Steve? That attitude is just what this country needs. Why don't you just run over there and apologize for the sins of your ancestors? They'll just love you for it...right before they cut your throat. And then get ready for the next 9/11 because it's coming.

steve19438    Posted 11-13-2004 at 07:22:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
ya know "less", once, just once i'd like to see you post a intelligent response to someone's post. all ya ever do is attack a person while never addressing the topic, question or otherwise subject.

Les    Posted 11-13-2004 at 11:25:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm pretty sure that you don't have the capacity to recognize an intelligent response when it's staring you right in the face. If you keep on posting the same kind of idiotic ideas, expect the same kind of response.

Dug    Posted 11-13-2004 at 16:18:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well stated, Les. However, I am certain it went right over his head!



Clod    Posted 11-13-2004 at 11:02:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
A liberal presumes that only the USA is guilty of agression. The mid easterners never invaded any other nation.Rather than read real history they watch TV version of world history.Also,The Liberal has most often accepted the benifits of the US taxpayer supported education systems,Government jops financed by the taxpayers and often have wealth derived from the effects of what they complain so loudly about.Then are able to critisize the folks who defended the source of the weath they have in posession of.They side with the enemy of this nation which most often has farless justice and freedoms than this country.They think that they can deal with evil people by giving them everything they ask for.Then point to whitey as the cause of all the troubles on this planet.As if they are not white themselves. This is the fear factor at work .Liberal guilt trips.I am not hopping on that bus.

Clod    Posted 11-13-2004 at 12:10:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Arab mindset>> Arab mom>>>> Son,, Will you run down to the market for me said the Arab mom to her thirteen year old son. The son says.Sure mom! What do you want me to pick up? Mom says.Oh,,About twenty five bystanders..Here ,Take this vest I made for you so you will look ok. There is a stick of dynomite in the special pocket. In the other pocket is an electronic detonator dad made for you,Just pull the switch when you get into the largest crowd. Son says,,Mom,, Did I ever tell you how much I appreciate all you and dad has done for me? You two are the best parents on the planet. Can I have a bite of that cake you are cooking there? Mom says,,No son,You will soon be a spot on the concrete and you will not have time to digest it.Now,,Be a good boy and run along.,Oh yes. Leave your bike parked far enough away from the blasting zone that it will not get scratched..I think we can get a refund on it.

midway    Posted 11-13-2004 at 16:35:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Back in 1943-45 I was in Algeria, we had Arabs working for us at an ammo. depot. I realize it was war time. The Arabs were poor as you could be, one who came by with a donkey and wagon to pick up garbage from the galley would go thru it and save the fairly good scraps for his family. I found them to be good people, yes, some of their habits were really different from ours but they were not a threat to us.
I sometimes wonder if part of the reason they don't care for the Americans is because we are helping Isreal. To have the UN come to them and say the land is being taken from them is quite a kick in the pants. I wonder what Texans would do if the UN told them that the state of Texas used to belong to Mexico, so we are giving Texas back to Mexico. Do you think they would act any different than the Arabs?? Just a thought. I won't get into an arguement on this subject, just thought I'd let you know I don't think they're all bad.

Clod    Posted 11-13-2004 at 16:59:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh,I know they are not all bad. But if you sent your kid to a busy intersection with a bomb strapped on him and blowed just anybody who was passing by in the name of independence I would say this was kind of crazy.Then the others approve by cheering more on. Isreal? It maybe the size of four Texas counties. The Jews have a right to exist as far as I am concerned.I dont plan to be a party to a plan to exterminate Jews. (This is a redneck speaking) I approve of this message.

midway    Posted 11-14-2004 at 06:42:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not looking for exterminating the Jews, but their hands are exactly clean.
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