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Water ( no water ) update
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Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 14:06:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, for those who asked, we still have no water... Patria has been on the phone all day without success. We just talked to the engineer of the water company who is responsible and he promised ( again... ) to send water trucks tomorrow morning.
On the way home I saw a lot of pickups with watertanks. That's a bad sign. It means that all kind of people are without water - not only our little neighborhood which is used to the no water situation.
I measured the height of my 200 gallon tank and it won't fit in my my Isuzu. I want a pickup!!

Salmoneye, I looked into well drilling briefly about a year ago and was informed that it would cost me around $ 13,000. That's a big bunch of money ( which I don't have right now.. )
Obviously we would have to drill very deep - we are up in the mountains. I gotta do some more research though. We're getting really pi$$ed about this no water thing.

For now we'll have to live with it, I'm afraid.

Hmm...    Posted 11-17-2004 at 14:48:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
That IS a chunk of change...

I do not believe you would have to drill any deeper than I did, and more than likely way less than me...

My house is at less than 150 feet above mean sea level...The Lake that is about a mile away is at 95 feet above MSL...

My well is 620 feet deep, or 470 feet below sea level...A guy I know 50 miles away is at 2000 feet above MSL, and his well is 30 feet deep and has 50 gallons a minute recovery...

Aquifers are weird things that follow the geology and have nothing to do with altitude in the mountains...


PS.....    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:16:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here is a link to Puerto Rico water tables...The links are in the text on the right...You can select data by a host of criteria and get a pretty good idea of how deep wells in your area are running...

Click here

Here is a link to 'drilling' your own well if it turns out that the you are lucky and the water is close to the surface where you are...Maybe get 10 friends together to buy the rig and then drill wells for everyone?...

Click here

Here is another method for low yield wells known as 'Driving a point'...

>Click here

Keep us updated, eh?

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:27:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
That's great Salmoneye, thanks a lot!

I'll look into it soon and of course keep you posted!

You're a great guy, always trying to help people here who have questions or problems. That's why you are respected so much and that's why so many people answered your yesterday's post about your accident.

Now I gotta try to find someplace to take a shower.. be back later.

Here Again...    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:18:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here is that last link again...

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 17:05:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Salmoneye, I checked the well sites in our county ( Juncos county ). They are all in the north side and we live in the very south. I'll check also the well sites in the 2 neighboring counties..
This weekend I'll gonna find and visit the guy who supposedly has a well around here.

I'll keep you informed!

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 14:58:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wow! 620 ft!!
Just curious, did you have the well drilled and if I may be ask, how much did you pay for it?

Actually I know that somebody around here has a well. I should try to find out who it is and get some first hand information.

Eventually I want to become independant from the unreliable service of the water and electricity companies here. I'm looking into solar panels for electricity - sun enough over here and maybe a back-up generator. That, combined with a well would be my dream come through..

Oh, before I forget asking, how're you feeling? Better I hope!

Salmoneye    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:22:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah...Well is drilled and it was nearly 8000 just for the hole and that was back in the late 80's...

I am fine...Just a tad bit of dizziness, but that may be normal for my ag all I know...I have never been this old before...


Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:35:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
LOL That's a good one.. Never been this old before..

toolman    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:03:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
i live at the 3300 ft. level here in the rockies and most drilled well are 100 ft at about 24 dollars a foot, by the time you are finished everything , pump and all it usually runs 4000.i have a shallow well as do alot of other here , our water is clean and pure, im about 18 ft. deep and with my pump culvert and digging, etc. i probably don,t have much more than 1500 into it, would cost more today, i prefer the taste of surface water to deep well water at least around here, but you have to check the water from time to time to make sure it is pure, mine has always been ok.

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:10:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
Know what? If you canconvert your get-rid-of-snow equipment into get-water-out-of-the-ground eaquipment, you could set up a business here that would make you rich..

I really gotta find out more about drilling a well. I had one in Germany of about 30 ft deep and I paid like $ 500 for the drilling and $ 200 for a pump with pressure tank. The water quality wasn't really good - only used it for the garden. But then again, over there the water comapny did what I paid them for: deliver water ....

toolman    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:16:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
first thing ya needs is a water douszer, now i could off course come on down there for the winter and look for water for ya, but its tiring work and i would need lots of rest on the beach , porbably could find you water by the end of april though that is if it,s warm here by then,

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:38:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like a better way to spend the winter than plowing snow and freezing you a$$ of all the time...
Gotta check with the mrs. for the availability of the guest room in the next months...

Grove r    Posted 11-17-2004 at 16:02:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi, Tolman, Gerrit...glad ta hear you are doing alright SE....

Thats a good idea on the dousing, Toolman, dad always said it didn't work, but he could sure do it.....could save a LOT of unecessary drilling depth. Another thought about water wells is the use of cable tool verses rotary...the old boys swear by cable tool rigs, say the rotarys can seal off potential water seams. If available, it may be cheaper to buy a rig and drill your own well as well as others around you...could be the start of a new business.....hope this meandering can be of some value...R.E.L.

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 16:22:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Grove r, how're you doing?

Had to spend some time to look up what a water douser is.. Why didn't you guys tell me straight away that you meant a "wichelroede" ( that's how it's called in Dutch.. )
I never heard some first hand experience about this working, but it's worth a try. That is if I can find someone who has the gift..

In the mean time I'm almost sure that there is at least someone around here who has a well, so that would be the first person to talk to.

The idea of getting the money together with the neighbors to buy a rig is a good one also. Our small neighborhood has like 30 houses and everbody is fed up with the water problem.

I really appreciate all the ideas and suggestions! It sure helps - at least my mood is improving by the minute!

toolman    Posted 11-17-2004 at 15:59:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
oh no i don,t need a guest room or food or drink or anything i plan on spending all my time on the beach that is of course when im not lookin for water.

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 16:02:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
If that's the case what are you waiting for???

toolman    Posted 11-17-2004 at 16:05:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
cold weather here.

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 16:25:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ah, O.K.... So, what about next weekend on Luquillo beach? I'll bring the BBQ and some meat... Can you take care of some six-packs and ice?

Pitch    Posted 11-17-2004 at 16:51:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gerrit, It is possible that you have the "gift". Just for ships and giggles take two wire coat hangers and cut and bend them so that they form an L with the short side about 4" and the long about 10 or 12" Hold the short end one in each hand pionting straight ahead. Walk towards a known source of water (with me it works even over the toilet) the hangers should cross over one another and swing back as you pass over the water. (When I do it they swing apart over water and then back Maybe because I'm left handed) This won't tell you the depth but it will find you water. Most folks I know can get it to work for them. If nothing else it's a good party trick.

Gerrit    Posted 11-17-2004 at 17:02:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Pitch, thank you! I will definitely try this and let you know!

steve in in    Posted 11-18-2004 at 07:53:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have a 17 foot driven well in our cellar. I have replaced the pump once. It is a jet pump. The house is 126 years old and I imagine the well is a little younger. But we sit in a river valley, as a matter of fact, in the 100 year flood plain. Though we don't have a problem with moisture in the cellar, our neighbors do. Our house sits on a little bit of a hill, probably 4 or 5 feet above the houses across the street.

The water has lots of lime in it, but is treated and filtered before consumption. It is possible to find water just below the surface, even in the mountains, you never know. If you happen to luck into that, a driven well would be extremely cheap...

Good luck.

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