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The problem with America
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Bkeepr    Posted 11-22-2004 at 04:31:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Everyone argues over what is wrong with America, what is causing our problems. Some say movies, TV, the schools. I saw a small article in my local paper Saturday that got me thinking, and I believe illustrates what the *real* problem is.

The tiny town just a mile north of mine has a small municipal park. Since the park was built, they close it off for a few hours while the maintenance folks mow the grass and trim bushes and such; a few hours every week or so. That makes the job go quicker, and keeps folks from possibly getting hurt by a thrown rock or such. The maintenance guys close the entrance and post a sign explaining the park is closed for maintenance.

Well, last week four Moms with eight kids decided they didn't want to honor the signs or closed gates. The Moms took their kids around the gates and played in the way of the maintenance guys. The guys asked them to leave while they mowed, the Moms refused. The town sheriff came, and wound up having to escort the Moms and kids off the town property.

My point is this: what kind of example are these Moms setting for their kids? Here's 8 kids that are learning to be scoff-laws, that the rules don't apply to *them* and that they are better than all the rest. I'm sure discussion at the dinner was how the bad old police were way out of line over something so silly.

But many of the problems we have today are a result of this kind of disdain for rules and laws, and caused by parents not following rules themselves. Then they wonder why their kids get into trouble when they're teens.

So when we ignore rules (on this forum, at NBA games, doesn't matter where) we are setting a standard for our kids, grandkids, and neighbor kids that they *will* follow. And this is to all our detriment.


Tom A

GeneSC    Posted 11-22-2004 at 14:50:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well said Bkeepr, I agree 100%. If you think about
it the reason there are rules now is because
people don't follow "The Golden One"
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You"

JFKY    Posted 11-22-2004 at 13:45:37       [Reply]  [No Email]

KellyGa    Posted 11-22-2004 at 08:15:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree whole heartedly. What a rude couple of moms. sigh.....I sure hope Ian gets this loan, then we will have our own playground, 31 acres...ahhhhhh

deadcarp    Posted 11-22-2004 at 06:16:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
people around here are pretty careful about clean water and that's a good thing. i've been shamed enough by the trash dumped by flush-bar mentality idiots at rose parades and stadiums. on a fairly hot crowded day last summer 2 couples brought their young families to the beach. as the afternoon wore on, they began playing catch with drink bottles. when they were packing up, one dad told his son to "throw that away" and took the time to pitch his in the lake. so did the youngster. well, it sure didn't take me long to get the whole crowd's attention by announcing what an excellent example those parents were setting for their kids. i went on until they retrieved them, and i don't give a rt's azz how embarrassed they were or if they ever come back or not. this ain't some disposable diaper-strewn ghetto beach and it ain't gonna be for awhile. sometimes everybody needs an outspoken grampa.. :)

geo in MI    Posted 11-22-2004 at 06:10:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
What this country needs is a good five cent cigarette..........

mud - a mess    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:52:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
hi beekeeper-
one of my best friends has an idea about folks with this kind of anti-social behavior. he calls it 'entitlement disorder' e.d. for short.
he points it out from time to time. like that hunter in wisc. in someone elses tree stand, on private land? we had a bad wreck here the other day. driver was doing about 80 plus, switchin lanes. head-on collision. he thought he was important enough to put others in harms way? e.d.
i value your opinion on this. teaching children to stand up for what is right is one thing, but them mommies were way out of line, and a judge out to fine their asps.


Doc    Posted 11-22-2004 at 07:11:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Reminds me of the young girl on Letterman from L.A who said. "There is nothing more annoying than someone who insists on doing the speed limit".

That's supposed to be humorous. Thought I'd better explain that before it gets taken out of context.

bob ny    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:08:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
don't go there bk i did about a tear ago about the speed ;imit and was shot down so i use this forum as entertainment only . if you get too serios you get stepped on. i was reffered to as one of them old foggies driving in the way at 55 mph. good luck bob ( who still thinks life is too short to try to change other people) ny

Ron/PA    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:34:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well ya old coot, yer still braggin about yer high speed roads ain'tcha?? LOL.
I see more lollygagin along at 45 or 50 goin to the mill, than many see all week long. I'm also able to stop in time to visit right smack dab in the road to visit a bit with an oncoming neighbor. We generally only talk til someone comes up behind us, as soon as they stop we move on. That way they can pull up and take a turn as well.
A long time back I wrote out a nice appology for something I said that stepped on toes, as I recall someone else told me to suck it up and quit my blubberin! Now I'm liable to drop an M-80 on the grenade line now and then just to see who jumps.
My problem is, I can trade insults, and argue, debate all day long and I don't get mad, I just wind 'er up and git er done.
Lemme know when you come down again, mebbe we can do some equipment shoppin. I just heard the other day that 'ole Junky Keiter has a shed full of your kind of stuff in hiding. I'll have to call and find out for sure. He's one of the bigger farm bone yards around here.

You can go...    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:13:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
55???...Lucky bugger...

I haven't owned a vehicle that will go that fast since The Girl came along back in '97...


Salmoneye    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:05:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I apologize...

I thought I had been so good lately staying out of the juvenile personal battles and the political rants...

I will cease my opinions on ANWR and go back to helping people with puters and how to make Syrup...

Sincerely Submitted,


toolman    Posted 11-22-2004 at 12:26:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
it isn,t all that good to tease us easterners who are now in the west in the middle of winter with that SYRUP word , geeze im really had it think i,ll go nap the winter away beside it ,s becomming way to serious around here.

Alias    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:47:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
I wish to also apoligize. I'm not at all sure I know why buy lately I've been venting differing opinions more than normal. Not just here but with my family as well.

Usually, my attitude is to live and let live but for several days now I have been engaging in arguments that heretofore, I would have deemed totally unimportant. In other words, I have been making mountains out of molehills. The only excuse I can offer is that the change in the season has stirred disquieting feelings within.
Or, maybe it the war in Iraq that makes me want to strike out at what I perceive to be foolish and childish. Whenever I compare a young Marine in Fallujha to a priveledged kid who wants to go to court over something as trivial as a school picture, I get more than a little upset.

I have only this to say in my defense, Through it all, I have made an effort to state my opinions without any direct assault on any individual.
But, after reading some of the things written here today, I realize that some people may be offended at the things I written. So, for that reason, I have decided to refrain from making any statements other than, "I agree" or "I don't agree", without any explanation. ....gfp

toolman    Posted 11-22-2004 at 12:54:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Alias , you have nothing to be sorry for , your posts are always straight up front and honest kind of like the guy writing them i would susbect.

Bah...    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:57:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
For what it is worth...You have been fine IMHO...

See my 'explanation' in my 'No No' post below...

I mean...You can only eat so many raw carrots and celery before you need to lash out at something...


Salmoneye, Who Is Trying To Do Better

Ooops    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:28:22       [Reply]  [No Email]

Since I respect you so much, I gotta ask what category my post falls into: juvenile personal battle or political rant? If it were too many people, I wouldn't care what they thought but...

Guess I should have kept my mouth shut, too. Ah well, I'll never learn.


No No...    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:52:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am serious...IMHO your post is just fine, and is a good way of us 'self-policing' ourselves...

I have really tried in the last 6 months to abide by Kims' wishes (till this AM, but I have an excuse...I am on a diet and in a mood...You know how much I want to eat that peanut-butter covered muffin The Girl didn't finish???) and keep this forum 'clean' of the junk and politics...I don't always speak up and chastize those that seem to want to bring it here, and I don't believe that all of the politics is inapropriate as some of it certainly does affect 'country life'...However, I (and others) probably should speak up and make a stand when someone starts making personal attacks at others, or uses this board for political rants...

Plenty of places for both of those activities on the net, and if people don't know where they are, just ask me and I will point the way...

Again...Sincerely Submitted,


bob ny    Posted 11-22-2004 at 05:10:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
i'd put money that don't happen. lol now i gotta clean the coffee off the keyboard

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