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Wis. Killings
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Alias    Posted 11-22-2004 at 13:47:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
There was a hint on the news today that the man who did the killing was inadvertenly sent or otherwise wound up in the wrong tree stand. And, if that was so, he may have thought he was right when in fact he was wrong. So, just for the sake of argument, let us imagine that he was merely minding his own business and was set upon by irate hunters that saw him as a uninvited trespasser. What would you call that? Victim of circumstance, perhaps?

Now, further suppose he responded to what he determined to be an emminent threat, ie. Five armed gunmen to one armed gunman. Ok? So, go a little further and imagine he, fearing for his life, left the area with the sound of some unpleasant supperlatives ringing in his ear. Words like "get on out of here you no good theiving gook". Or, "That's it boy go on back where you belong, and leave the hunting to real Americans."

Hey, I could set here and imagine a dozen or more senerios surrounding the events that occurred at that ill fated place. But, the truth is, I don't know. And, until I do, I think I'll just reserve making any snap judgements. One thing I do know is that in many cases, before something of this magnitude happens, there has to be a reason behind it.

I'm not looking for any responses here, I just thought I'd reveil to you, my thoughts on the matter....gfp


KellyGa    Posted 11-23-2004 at 07:04:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
I will wait for the truth to come out. Either way, he shouldn't have shot the children, there is no excuse for that.


Gunner    Posted 11-22-2004 at 16:26:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
The guy claimed he was lost so he decided the best way to find his way was to climb up into a tree stand and start hunting - Maybe he was waiting for dark so he could find his way back using the stars



steve19438    Posted 11-22-2004 at 15:42:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i sure am glad i didn't post what alias did. there is ALWAYS two sides to every story.


Doc    Posted 11-22-2004 at 20:22:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Me too


mud- update    Posted 11-22-2004 at 15:01:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
well- turns out the shooter is from laos and has a criminal record. may have had military training.

is there a black market for deer parts? i know that there were some asian poachers caught up in wyoming years ago getting bladders or some thing.


JoeK    Posted 11-22-2004 at 15:19:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
As far as I know,not much of value in deer,antlers and "naughty bits" are used in oriental medicines but a readily available as waste or on open market.Bear Gall Bladders are highly sought illegally and can only be handled by licensed dealers,also claws/paws teeth are used in oriental and native american ritual and medicines.


Melanie    Posted 11-22-2004 at 14:25:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, sure, Alias, I think it's true enough that any number of things could have provoked this scenario. And I prolly shouldn't have flipped out and called the guy a scumbag, but the part about almost a whole family wiped out really just set me off. There's just no justification for shooting women and children. And to me that's the worst of it, that sentence "chasing after them and killing them." He hunted those people down like animals.


JoeK    Posted 11-22-2004 at 14:08:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Only one weapon found among the dead/injured,last I heard,unknown if fired at present.Non resident hunter arrested had used all his ammo up,some killed or injured struck more than once.Suspect was in a treestand he did not own on private property and after being told to leave,began to walk away and then turned and opened fire.As a resident of the nearby area I can only say that the problem that occur with non-resident hunters increases every year.Many come here without knowledge of the terrain,customs or variences in law with their home state,fail to comply with common courtesy and the laws regarding hunting and trespass to private property figuring that the law stops at Hwy 29 and here in the "Wilds" they can do as they please w/o consequence.Every year there are threats made to residents,bullets impacting houses,buildings because of poor target and bacground ID and thousands of dollars worth of damaged fields and cut fences etc.I was NOT there at the above incident,however there are live witness(s)who were.Being local I tend to side w/the locals,however I have no doubt that the interagency investigation will find the truth of the matter regardless how twisted the trail as it's done in the past.


Salmoneye    Posted 11-22-2004 at 13:59:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
"Five armed gunmen to one armed gunman."

It seems that only one gun was found outside the camp that belonged to the hunting party...

"“It’s absolutely nuts. Why? Over sitting in a tree stand?” Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle said earlier.

Zeigle said the suspect was “chasing after them and killing them,” with a SKS 7.62 mm semiautomatic rifle. Wisconsin’s statewide deer gun hunting season started Saturday and lasts for nine days.

About 20 shots were fired but it was unclear if any of the hunters had fired at the man or who might have shot first, Zeigle said. There was just one gun among the eight people killed or wounded, he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6551094/

I am not saying that your scenario is not possible or plausible, just that it does not seem (so far) that it went down that way...

The same thoughts had crossed my mind when I first heard about the story...


mud    Posted 11-22-2004 at 14:20:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
i cant get my mind off those hunters families. it will be difficult holidays for them. none of it make sense.

the man from minn. seems to have snapped, just a gut feeling. now the state will be feeding him for the next 20 years because they'll never convict him on pre-meditated murder.

families will suffer. no doubt about that.


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