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REt    Posted 11-23-2004 at 16:12:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now I sure don't want to make any people sore at me, but this murdering incident just happened to occur about a week after a string of posts from some of the more ardent land owners here. You guys will have to admit, they were pretty strong. Most of them didn't even want a person to retrieve game they had shot and ended up on their land. Poachers were in mortal danger too. Just today , the guy that posts as Texas, and he may be a nice guy, said they hang them up when they catch them. Maybe Tx talk, but then again didn't sound friendly at all. I have to wonder now what you guys would have done if in the same situation with an oriental in one of your tree stands. I sure don't approve of what happened, it is terrible, but I have a hunch what he faced was pretty terrifying to him too. This sure is a no win situation, and he sure didn't need to kill everyone he saw, let alone chase them down, but for you guys sake and safety, might be a thought to approach the next person on your land with a not so aggressive attitude. Losing a loved one is bad enough, but at this time of year it is especially heartbreaking. Just a thought

EngineerJoyce    Posted 11-23-2004 at 18:34:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
My post below shows up blank when doing the expand feature, but when I try to reply, I see the whole text.

Is it offensive?!?

Salmoneye    Posted 11-23-2004 at 18:43:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I see both posts..

But I do not use the 'EXPAND'...hate it, I do...

RayP(MI)    Posted 11-23-2004 at 17:58:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
A few years back, I had a couple hours of time that I couldn't accomplish anything constructive, and since there was a pad of paper and a pen handy, I started recording details of tresspassing incidents here on my farm. I had several pages and about 50 incidents recorded when I stopped, and I'm sure I missed a bunch. Over the years, we've suffered numerous incidents of damage. The worst was when hunters opened a gate to let their dogs thru, and left it open. The cows got into the corn, many got sick, and we lost three. Production was lost on the others. It was a devistating loss for our small farm. We've had many other incidences of damage, vandalism, booby traps set (beer bottles in the corn rows to cut up tractor tires), theft of gas from machinery, littering and outright dumping, arson to hay bales and hay field, many hunting and fishing tresspass, and numerous snowmobile tresspass - several in a tree seeding. Son ran out into a field to try to stop snowmobilers once and was almost run over by them.

Ask me how popular trasspassers are around here. Can you blame me when I get a little bent outa shape by these guys who think mine is theirs?

Les    Posted 11-23-2004 at 17:32:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
A very good post, REt.
Perhaps you saw my post below about the "right" of trespass. I should have used "privilege" rather than "right".
Anyway, you might enjoy reading the article that was in my paper a few weeks ago by John Harrigan, who lives in northernmost NH. He's an acquaintance of mine. Thankfully, I still live in the NH that he writes about. My family has lived here since 1867 and we own a lot of land. People hunt, fish, hike and do who-knows-what on it without our knowledge all the time. It's not a big deal. We have never posted and don't plan to. There have been a couple of incidents in my lifetime but they only involved livestock. Nothing like what happened in Wisconsin yesterday.

Les    Posted 11-23-2004 at 17:43:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
A couple other things people do on our property without our knowledge or consent is snowmobile and canoe. Again, this is not a problem. Snowmobilers can't hurt much except themselves.
We have a mile or so of river frontage that is heavily used by canoers and kayakers in the spring and summer. Often they put ashore on our land just for a rest or maybe for a picnic. I think the folks who have the canoe rental business impress upon them to not litter and to respect the property they are on. I don't know of a single problem that we have had with them.
We also have a pond which is only accessible by walking from an interstate highway or wading a brook or a river. People are welcome to fish there and don't need our permission. The only one who does need permission to be there is the guy with the trap line and that is because it is a state law that trappers have to have signed permission from landowners.

EngineerJoyce    Posted 11-23-2004 at 17:29:46       [Reply]  [No Email]

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mark/mn    Posted 11-23-2004 at 17:06:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Speaking for myself the number of and
frequency of trespassers is getting mighty
irritating. And it's not just hunters, it's been
berry pickers, snowmobilers, fishermen,
atvers etc.
The most irritating thing is the laws. Even
though the land is posted, people basically
get a free pass to trespass the first time, not
only am I required to put up signs but I must
verbally warn them off before the law will get
involved and issue trespass tickets. ( even the
fine for trespass is a joke ). The law itself is
encouraging confrontations.
What really gets me though is that people,
while uninvited and breaking the law can take
me to court if they get hurt. So if some
snowmobiler rips across my land at mach 90
and takes his or her head off on my fence I
end up supporting their family because they
broke the law. Something's not right.
I believe the law should read if you're
uninvited and get hurt, tough luck. If land is
posted and you ignore the posting you get 30
days in the clink plus pay substantial
restitution to the land owner. For each
additional trespass your penalty increases.

But laws and all that aside, what has
become of common courtesy ? Why do people
think that land I bought, I maintain, I pay taxes
on etc. is fair game for their use and
What's the worst that can happen by asking
... you're told no. What's the best that could
happen ? The owner says yes, knows who's
about and if you're hunting gives you space,
lets you know where livestock is and might
even suggest a good spot to hunt.
Snowmobiles and atvs would be told where
fence lines are, locations of rockpiles and
stumps etc.
While I won't pull out the artillery without a
good reason I have no sympathy for those
who get their tail in a crack because they're

Lloyd    Posted 11-23-2004 at 16:47:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My sister and I together own about 800 acres in East Georgia. I have never refused anyone who asked to go hunting or fishoing on my property. But I have been thretened twice, once when I asked a dove hunter whom I did'nt know to leave and one guy fishing in my pond. The fisherman was someone who had bought a lot on a neighbors farm when the farmer lost the land. I had given him permission to go fishing ocasionally which to him meant 5 days week. One day when I could not move my farm equipment across my pond dam to get to the field on the other side because of this guy's truck and two other cars with five people I did'nt know I pitched a fit and ran them all off. Two weeks later this guy comes and asks me if I have cooled off yet and can he go fishing again. I told him I had cooled off but better not catch him in tha pond again. He told me I could not stop him and i told him I thought I could. He had shown me earlier the 357 he said was standard equipment in his tackle box. He was right, I could not stop him because he walked in after that and could hide in the woods when he heard me coming. Neighbors would tell me they had seen him walking in with his rod. This lasted for about a year until one night his brother who lived next door got upset because his dog was barking and keeping him awake and shot him to death. Then we have the city folks who buy their dream five acres in the country and dare anybodys dog to set foot on it but think its OK to dump their trash on my property for me to clean up. As one person I confronted said, it just looked like open land to him, he did'nt think anybody owned it. Also Ga. law says that a hunter has to have written and signed permission from the landowner on his person if the wardens chech him while hunting.

Dave Smith    Posted 11-23-2004 at 16:35:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have never refused any one permission to hut this land. But, There are those who don't bother to ask, and there are those who don't respect the land owners rights. Had BIG time problems with ATVs. They cut fences, tear down gates and rip the land up. A snowmible trail runs about 1/2 mile on the place. I have had no problems with the snowmobilers. I was once chewed out by a ATVer because the trail was closed in the summer and told I have no right to close it. He said it was just weeds he was running down. He did not mention the 3 foot tall pine tree he just broke off that I had planted.
In other words, What is mine is his and what is his is his.
The snowmoble clubs were loosing trails because of the ATVs and they put on a campain and have gotten that problem pretty much under control. When you are on some one elses property and they tell you to leave, the law says you must leave.
Dave <*)))><

mud    Posted 11-23-2004 at 16:33:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
you just never know whats goin on in another fellers mind.

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