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Zenia    Posted 11-24-2004 at 13:26:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
from another board. Curious, but good question:

"If the majority of the population doesn't know that the origins of a word or phrase is based in racism/ bigotry, is it still bad if they use it? Or is it incumbent upon all of us to know what we say?"

For example, when is it okay to say:

1) Eany, meany, minney, moe..... (using tiger instead of the offending word),

2) gyped,

3) scotch tape,

4) brown shirt

And, I'll add:

5) Schiester

6) Indian Giver

Any others? I had no idea that Scotch was un-pc, seems that in the 30's Scotch tape was so called because it was "cheap and did not work" I never heard that stereotype before!:

"One must look to the second definition of Scotch: Inclined to frugality. For those of you too young or too decent to be up on your ethnic stereotypes, society has sometimes characterized persons of Scottish descent as being fiscally stingy. So, at least in Depression-era terms, you could use the adjective Scotch interchangeably with cheap."

http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6228_11-5331816-2.html

I completely forgot about Brown Shirts (Hitler's men) and never thought twice about gyped, and did not know about the Eany-meany rhyme origins until I was an adult. Always thought it was tiger.

So, is Indian Giver offensive to Native Americans, or does it refer to the whites "giving" land and then taking it back? I never knew, never thought about it when we said it as kids but I would never say it now regardless. Hmmm...


Helena    Posted 11-24-2004 at 13:53:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
People need to lighten up regarding their race. We are all from one "man" so to speak. If someone is upset because of a raciest joke, then they need to get some insight into where we are all going from here. I'm Polish, by the way, so bring on the Polish jokes!


Zenia    Posted 11-24-2004 at 14:00:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
LOL, my Irish Catholic grandfather was an alcoholic. I've heard an Irish drunk joke or a few. He was black Irish, too boot.


Alias    Posted 11-24-2004 at 13:44:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
About #3, Scotch Tape. I think it was a trade or brand name of transparent tape. It was around way before political correctness. As I recall, it was packaged in green plaid boxes. And, it was probably manufactured by a company which was owned by Scotts. I wonder, could it be the same company that makes Scott Towels and terlet rools?


Zenia    Posted 11-24-2004 at 13:58:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
"How did an ethnic slur contribute to naming adhesive tape? It actually came out of product testing. Existing types of adhesive tape were ill-suited for creating two-tone paint finishes on customized cars, a highly popular American fad in the years leading up to the 1929 stock market crash.

Product developer Richard Drew therefore gave an early version of masking tape to a St. Paul auto painter for testing. However, this version of the tape only had adhesive along its outer edges, rather than along the entire width of the tape. Not surprisingly, the tape would not consistently stick to the auto bodies during the paint process.

Thus, the unnamed St. Paul painter ostensibly told Drew, "Take this tape back to those Scotch [meaning cheap] bosses of yours, and tell them to put more adhesive on it!" To invoke a pun, both the name and the advice stuck.

Drew revised his design, which was a success and, a few years later, created the popular cellophane with which most people associate the trademark. Scotch tape became one of the few product success stories to emerge from the Great Depression. Despite its tacky use of stereotypes, it does make for some great Geek Trivia."



Jimbob    Posted 11-24-2004 at 13:43:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Acceptance and lack of it can hurt. I would refrain from using words of negative content regarding ones ethnic background. I do not get the scotch tape item.


Manitoba    Posted 11-24-2004 at 13:39:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Aye..my scottish grandad was so tight...

That ifin he found a band aid..he would cut himself...


Zenia    Posted 11-24-2004 at 14:02:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
LOL! that's a good one.



Melanie    Posted 11-24-2004 at 13:32:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't use any of those except for scotch tape, and I don't think that the Scotch brand chose that name for that reason. Who would advertise their product as "cheap and doesn't work"?

I also wonder about "slipping someone a Mickey."
Where did that come from?


Melanie    Posted 11-24-2004 at 14:53:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, just to be fair I went out and looked around for another source of the story. Seems to be right on the money... although how sad. Of course, the way they marketed it was under "thrifty," not "cheap." Funny how two words, meaning awfully close to the same thing, can be so different in the perception, isn't it?
And I used to know a kid in high school who loved to say he "got Jewed" if he was cheated in a bargain. I hated that guy... same idiot who almost drove a mildly retarded student to suicide. Well, whatever, the idiot's behind bars now for killing some stranger... karma caught up to him.


Zenia    Posted 11-24-2004 at 15:26:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Words are interesting... sometimes when people repeat stuff they don't mean to be offensive. My California born & raised sister moved with her husband to Valdosta, GA because he got a position at the university there. Their children were born in Valdosta. My sister took a trip to British Columbia, and came across a group of retired folks from Georgia. When she said her son was born there, an old guy said affectionately, "Well I'll be, a Georgia cracker!" in reference to my sister's son. My sister was highly offended, although the old guy was trying to be humorous.


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