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Hawk    Posted 11-26-2004 at 05:26:11       [Reply]  [No Email]

i would like some feed back on the 45/70 caliber and the Buffalo Classic rifle by H&R. my intention is to get back into hunting after a 20 year absence from the sport. if i pick this caliber and this weapon i`ll be using it for hog hunting in Oklahoma,Arkansas and Texas. my hunting skills are still decent, i still spend alot of time tracking and looking for sign, just have`nt dropped the hammer in years. thanks, Hawk

DAve2N    Posted 11-26-2004 at 16:20:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
H&R's are definitely underrated.
I have one (not like the one in the picture; think mines a Pardner) with a 45/70 barrel and use cast bullets and black powder. You can load these down to manageable recoil. I like this one better than the Perdersoli Rolling Block I used to have. Funny how at age of 60 I started to pay attention to ease of carry.! Kind of rambling, here I know, but I like H&R's and like the .45/70.

Greg    Posted 11-26-2004 at 09:58:22       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Nice looking weapon Hawk. I too believe H & R's are underrated. I used to own a Remington rolling block repro chambered in 50/140 Sharps. Weighed 16 lbs, but it would sure get your attention when you cut loose with it!

Bandersnatch    Posted 11-26-2004 at 08:36:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have an old H&R Shikari in 45-70 and I use it for deer. I've been thinking about the new Buff Classic, because the sight radius is great and the peep helps these older eyes. The 45-70 can be a real bear for recoil, but is effective on any No American animal. With the big bore, you won't get alot of range without a rainbow trajectory. I've shot quite a bit of long range sillohuettes with a trapdoor Springfield in 45-70. I loaded 55 grains of FFG and a 500 grain all lead slug sized to .457 loaded over a grease cookie. Off the cross sticks, I was able to knock down the steel at 300, 400 and 500 meters. Although my spotter told me that I was actually hitting the ground about thirty yds in front of the rams and the bullets were bouncing into the rams. (Still averaged 4 out of 5) The trigger pull on some of the H&R's can be a bit stiff and there isn't much a gunsmith can do to lighten it. For a $150 to 200 more, you can probably get a Sharps repro in 45-70 with double set triggers. The set triggers are a bit easier to contend with for long range shooting and less flinch from pulling the trigger. My old H&R in 45-70 shoots some really good groups off a bench at 100 yds, but it had a much shorter barrel and very much shorter sight radius. The new Buff Classic ought to do much better. For awhile H&R 1871 had a special so you could get the 38-55 barrel fitted to your 45-70 Buff Classic as well for about $100. check the web site about that deal, There is a lot of reloading stuff available for the 45-70. I still load my shells with a 120 yr old Ideal tong tool.
Recoil from a rifle is something that is lessened by having the rifle fit YOU properly. Most production guns are made for a "average" build hunter. Everyone is different however. Some have longer arms, shorter necks, longer faces etc. The two important things on this issue are not just trigger pull length, but also cast off and drop. Drop, is the distance from the center of the bore to the top of the comb of the butt stock. A trapdoor springfield has little drop and can really slap a person around. Cast off is the amount the butt stock is off center from bore center. This is particuliarly important in trap and skeet shooting, but also has an effect in precision rifle shooting. For a right handed person, the butt stock maybe angled slightly to the right of the bore center. This creates room for the cheek to be placed against the comb and have the sighting eye right in line with the sights with a minimal amount of laying your head over the stock or twisting your neck to get your eye on the sights. Because of the ambidexterous nature of the action, such break open single shot firearms are generally made with no cast off. Cast off is often only a matter of the butt stock being an eighth of an inch off from (length wise)center of the gun.

kraigWY    Posted 11-26-2004 at 08:13:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a 45-70 but in the Browning Model 1885. I use both black and smokeless powder casting my own bullets. In black powder you need the venir sites for long range. Fun long range rifle using black powder. I don't know the Buffalo Classic but from I know of H&R they are great rifles, I think they are highly under-rated.

Salmoneye    Posted 11-26-2004 at 06:22:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
DUnno about that specific rifle, but I do love the .45-70...

Factory load pressures are kept pretty low as there are alot of old Springfield 'trap-door' rifles still around and they were meant only for black powder...

The cartridge itself can be loaded effectively from 300 grain bullets all the way up to 540 grain (though those are pretty slow)...

I believe that the original loading was a hard-cast 405 grain bullet...

I used to carry my Contender pistol with 300 grain factory loads for deer and 350 grain handloads for bear...In retrospect, the 350's would have been better on Moose, as they blew through a 150 lb bear at 34 yards as if it was not there...Not that that is a bad thing ;-)

My dream rifle for the woods here (and I will have one someday) is a Marlin Guide Gun lever action with a carbine barrel and all stainless steel...

I want that...

PS.....The .45-70 loaded correctly has taken every animal on the planet, and that is not an exageration...It was widely touted as an African gun and did in fact take Elephants and Rhinos...

The guy in the story below is a nut case...A rich nutcase...But I sure would have loved to have gone along for the ride...

BILL MCCARNEY    Posted 06-20-2007 at 11:27:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Hawk/ re: to the big 6    Posted 11-26-2004 at 06:38:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
WOW! great story! would love to see the film on that hunt.

Sid    Posted 11-26-2004 at 05:42:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mysister's husband's brother is a gun Smith and has built several rifles and a pistol or three. I have used a 45/70 that he built. That is the only one I have used but I was suprised when I first fired it(didn't tear my shoulder off) it was one of the easiest guns for me to hit something with.

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