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KatG    Posted 12-15-2004 at 17:22:26       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Our milk cow Ellie has decided not to let her milk down...MAtt does and the rubing and washing and bumping...What in the world can we do??? She will give maybe a half gal. in the evening and be flat...go to the calf and swell up like a "jersey cow"...This is really making Matt mad...any ideas??? KAtG


Donna from Mo    Posted 12-15-2004 at 18:29:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
She's saving the milk for her calf. If you stop letting the calf nurse her and start feeding it from a bottle, eventually she'll start letting her milk down for you. Your other option is to let the calf at her first, but that can be a real fight, trying to get half the milk while the calf is butting the other side of her... or trying to pull the calf away from her before it takes all the milk!


deadcarp    Posted 12-15-2004 at 18:14:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
you're right, she's not letting her milk down. she's nervous. go get her calf, tie it by the manger so she gets some bovine quality time. meanwhile you're back there relieving the pressure. :)


For the Cow Inept ...    Posted 12-15-2004 at 20:57:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
DC, what did you just say?

The Bovine statemeny got mr wondering.

PS - The space below this post indicates what I know about cattle:

My Name = Peanut/aka Larry


deadcarp    Posted 12-15-2004 at 22:56:48       [Reply]  [No Email]

well let's say basically a cow is - about - this long okay? now up here in the front end are the eyeballs and licking part. cows like to lick, their tongues are raspy like files and when the calf is around the cow's head, she can see him, lick him and know he survived the nite.

now way down here toward the other end is an udder - it generally includes 4 teats, the natural spigots for feeding calves. sometimes a new calf gets bosterous and expects the milk to flow a bit faster, so the calf will butt the bag. he hangs onto the teat all the while, and just basically shoves his snoot into his mother's udder, which can cause her to let milk down faster. an experienced milker can sometimes poke his knuckles upward in similar fashion and improve flow. once an udder gets too full, it will often leak some milk, same as nursing people.

cows are bovines - i think that's a nice term for 4 stomachs but who cares? we're born more like the tie that vines. course if you let them vine awhile, they'll get tired and doze off. we tried to get the doze off our cornfield once, but our efforts were fruitless. regrettably the corn was too so doze were da daze. did you ever get the bovine thing?


MikeT    Posted 12-15-2004 at 18:24:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We used hot wet towels on the dairy in the winter time. We would take a bucket of warm water around and a towel and massage their udders before putting the milkers on. Sure helped when their hair and tails were thick with ice.


OK Now I am Curious    Posted 12-15-2004 at 21:12:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Are you saying cows need to be coaxed/massaged into providing milk? I thought that once the cow/heffer (spelling?) was .... well you know ... the nasty ... she produced on her own.

We are yakkin about a cow that can not do this. Is this common?

I would like to hear from the experienced cattle raisers on this subject.


MikeT    Posted 12-16-2004 at 06:50:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Kat -

That was the procedure on our dairy. We had a heated dairy barn that would hold 24 cows at a time. In the winter time they would come in cold and caked with ice. They each would go to their own stall and patiently wait to be fed. After we put the milkers on one pair, we'd go to the next pair and feed them and clean their udders. In the winter time we kept the water pretty warm and it certainly helped the cows give their milk quicker. When we finished with one pair we'd dry their udders and apply bag balm on their teats before letting them out. Our cows were mostly holstein's.


RN    Posted 12-15-2004 at 21:59:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Some cows-mostly after first calves- need some encouragement early in lactation. Normally a couple minutes cleaning and massage will start flow - if calf is still sucking I was taught to milk 2 teats worth, squeeze 2nd pair a few times then turn calf loose with cow to finish. This encouraged cow to let down all around udder as it knew calf was coming a bit later. Some feed as it was put in stanchion helped, some brushing and tail cleaning also calmed cow downgot it used to milking drill. After weaning calf should have fairly quick response to massage, be able to milk all around udder. Jerseys can keep high tight bag better than Holsteins- they usually end up with slightly sagging udders, full teats. RN.


Peanut    Posted 12-15-2004 at 21:23:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry for asking what may be stupid questions but I just need to know

Sre milk cows this picky? Are there some breeds better than others?

Again, not trying to sound ignorant (I guess I am), but I would like to hear more on this issue.


Donna from Mo    Posted 12-16-2004 at 01:47:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
As long as that cow knows she's going to be turned in with her calf pretty soon, she will hold up her milk. When you are milking a cow all the time, and she does NOT have a calf waiting for her, and you are hand-milking... you can actually FEEL her "let down" her milk after about twenty to thirty seconds. She will not do this if she figures she has to save it for her calf. It's nature's way. If you think about it, good mothers of all species are a lot alike... save the goodies for the baby rather than let some thief take it. Nature's way of helping the species survive. What the cow doesn't realize is that she is giving ten times as much as the calf needs.


Fern(Mi)    Posted 12-16-2004 at 04:55:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a problem with last line of the suggested link.
"If you have any questions or concerns regarding your own let-down reflex, you should consult your physician rather than comparing notes with other mothers."
Most physicians are male and have no idea what goes on between a mother and child.
Vets are just as bad talking cows and calves.
That's why they call their profession a practice.
These doctors going by the book, aren’t living with these children or calves and have no real idea as to what is going on. Frieda had all our children on solid foods long before the suggested time line schedules of the Doctor. The kids could holler, cry, and scream their lungs out from hunger. Adding cereal to supplement bottle for her breast we all got some peace.

???? Now, onto the cow. Should never have left calf on mother longer than three days. If this is case? Try tying calf under her nose and milk the cow, tying the calf further away every couple three days until cow has become used to loosing her calf to a surrogate nipple twister. May take care of problem?
Next lactation, take calf away at birth and start milking with in the hour bottling the calf about three days then breaking to a bucket.

Remembering as a kid, I sometimes had to butt the cow’s udder with my hand loose around her teat.
Fernan


Donna    Posted 12-16-2004 at 05:12:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yep, that's been my experience. Daddy used to milk while the calf nursed, till it got too big to wrestle with. Then he'd keep a halter on it, snap a rope on the halter, and man-handle the calf back to its pen. That way the cow had let her milk down. It took lots of muscle by the time the calf was 2 or 3 months old!


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