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Yikes - dog training help!
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Zenia    Posted 12-17-2004 at 19:28:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
My 3.5 month old cattle dog is teething quite a lot, so I gave him a frozen beef knuckle bone to chew. He loves it. Too much - he was really into it, and dragged it from the kitchen onto the living room carpet. I went to pick it up to get him back in the kitchen, and the dog growled at me. I said no! and proceded to pick the bone up, and the little rascal growled louder and made a slight teeth snapping sound. I yelled NO! grabbed his collar and held on, and took the bone away. Then a while later I gave it back, while rubbing his face and head. I pet him for a long time, around his face to make sure he did not resist again, and took the bone away a few times. He was super tense, but did not growl and he did let me take the bone, although a time or two tried to grab it back.

I have had dogs most of my life, but I am at a loss with how to do this training. My first instinct frankly was to smack the dog, but I don't want to go that route - but I think I may have been too soft on him. I have two young children, I can't have a biter. Should I just practice giving and taking food? He knows sit and lay down, and we are working on him to sit and wait for his food. Pretty good for a 14 week pup. He's very, very smart. If it were you, would you involve your kids (4 year olds) in the training, under very very close supervision (e.g., I hold the dog while he chews his bone in a way he cannot be aggressive, and let the kids pet him). My boys know that they are not to bother animals when they are eating.

LOL, the cat runs to his food dish when he has had enough cuddling, he knows he won't be bothered.


Willy-N    Posted 12-17-2004 at 19:46:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
You better dominate the dog befor it gets to old. Grab him by the cheeks and collar place him on his back git in his face and say no loud, growl loud and hold him till he gives in. Just act like his Mother would if he got out of line right in his face and mean it! You will need to do this several times till he knows who is boss. You can restrain him also till he gives in then praise him and make it a game. You just need to do this till he lets you hold him down with out growing. We have to do this to Neuf Puppys way befor they get big because it is real hard to flip a 185 pound growling dog and dominate it!! Do not let him think he is the boss and growing when their food is touched is a bad deal YOU are the Pack Leader, a kid may touch his food and get bit. Good Luck, Mark H.


Smitty of Cal    Posted 12-17-2004 at 20:14:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Right on Mark, I have a wolf and had to do the same thing , become the Alpha and make her the Omega. Worked well and she is a sweety now very affectionate and friendly towards others.
Smitty


Ron/PA    Posted 12-17-2004 at 19:50:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now I understand what Donna was doing when she kept taking my ice cream bowl away,, pulling my cheeks and swatting my nose sure wasn't fun. hmmm
Ron


Ron/PA    Posted 12-17-2004 at 19:43:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
While I agree with your desire not to strike the dog, I alway look at the actions of parent animals to their young. Dogs snap and nip, cats swat and claw, Cows bump and nudge, and on and on and on.
All of these actions inflict a small amount of pain, but not a lasting wound. The surprise coupled with a small amount of pain, seems to leave a lasting impression on young animals.
While I don't condone abuse by any means, I just hate having to put down an animal that gets out of controll.
Good luck
Ron


Harbor    Posted 12-17-2004 at 19:46:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
That reminds me when my old dog was a pup she bite at me and I just bite her back right on the ear. She yiped a little but never growled or bite again. Turned into the best dog I ever had.


seahag    Posted 12-17-2004 at 20:22:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was a dog 4H advisor for years and taught obedience. Training a dog about food is really repetition. When you feed him use a choke chain and lead. Put the food down make him sit keep the lead in your hand. If he runs towards the bowl say NO, snap back on the lead and make him sit. When he sits and behaves push the bowl with your foot towards him give the command OK. Let him eat walk a distance away from him keep that lead in your hand. Now walk towards the bowl put your foot near it and pick up the lead give a little snap and the command OUT. Make him go away from the bowl and sit, repeat the Ok and Out until he understands when you or anyone walks towards his food bowl he is to leave it and sit until they leave or you give the command OK. As far as the bone goes do the same thing with a bone. DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS DO THIS UNTIL HE KNOWS WHAT HES DOING. You feed the dog, you command the dog you are the boss not him not the kids. My little terrier does this, if I even walk towards her bowl she leaves it until I am away from it. I have 13 grandkids and if they even walk towards her bowl when shes there she walks away until they leave.
One thing I always did is have a crate for my dogs. It was their safe place, where they went if they didnt want to be bothered and the rule was when they were in there you did not speak to them, bother them nothing...absolutely nothing...
When my rotty Hank was about a year old he was in his sleeping, this dog was `100 pounds at a year very very big and an angel on earth. My daughter who was six decided to take a pan and slam the ever living out of the side of the kennel. Scared him to death. He shook and cried.
My repair for this was..I took Hank out and hugged him loved him gave him a treat and put him outside. I then took my daughter put her in the kennel. Locked the door and took the pan and slammed the h*** out of it all the while saying Hey do you like this isnt this fun. Now sit in there and think about what you did....she said in it for 20 minutes then a little voice came out and said Im so sorry I love Hank I hurt him oh she cried. I let her out and she went outside and sat on the deck with him and put her arm around him and cried all over him...they were devoted to each other until I had to put him down. I put him down when she was at school she was 16 at the time..he lost the use of his legs..her heart was so broken and to this day she speaks of her buddy.

Its all in doing the same thing always dont change the routine or the commands. Dogs understand the tone of the voice and one word commands...if you want more help just ask, its free.


seahag    Posted 12-17-2004 at 20:31:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Another thought....I always used food as a reward. If gave a little treat, very small, I would hold it tightly between my thumb and first finger while they took it, if they grabbed I pulled it away and said NO> again I gave it until they lipped it from me...used only their lips to get it...after they learned "If I do this thing they ask I get a treat" then I didnt give a treat all the time. They had to think,maybe I will get a treat this time....thinking...ok Ill do it right..treat...cool...do it right..no treat...mmm..thinking..maybe next time..make it a game.
Your dog is a baby..babies need to be on a lead in the house, only when you can supervise them, dont leave them alone in the house with a lead or collar on...the neighbors went away and their dog got it collar wrapped up in a cord from a blind and hung itself...hubby had to go over cut the dog down and bury it..it was so bad...
My two rotts had their choke chains on while out in the yard and started to play one got the others wrapped around their bottom jaw. I had to get bolt cutters to break it and relase them. That was the last time they had collars on when I was not around..Fenced in with 6 foot chain link fence, with locks and bolts on the gates...No problems...they had a good life. I miss them so much.


Thanks!!    Posted 12-18-2004 at 09:50:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks everyone! Seahag, this is what I was looking for; what technique to follow. I do regularly roll him on his back and put him in a submissive position, and I know I could crack down on him for the growling but I want to be proactive, just need a technique to follow.

Thanks again! I will work on it.


Ron/PA    Posted 12-17-2004 at 20:47:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Seahag, here's my baby boy. He's checkin in on the hogs.
Ron


seahag    Posted 12-17-2004 at 21:03:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron..what a sweetie..dont ya just love em. I had my female for 12 years and my male for 11. It was so hard when I had to put them down..but it had to be done.
This is a breed that gets the bad rap and I never had a complaint about mine. They were trained to death..and went to all of the horse shows with me. When I got my little girl she spent all over her time with me at the shows. I think her first chew bone was a horses hoof. Our boy was put in the barn at night with the horses during the shows and no one ever went near there at night or worried about their animals. He lay by the door until we came in at 5 am to feed being the guardian of the horses.
I would love to have another one but at this point in our lives we cant afford it...hubby keeps begging but he knows its not something we can do.


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