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Broke car update! Help!
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Bkeepr    Posted 12-18-2004 at 11:40:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
OK, the saga continues.

Kid got a $21 code reader and it says "no distributor signal to module." Well there's no distributor on the 93 Corsica.

I decide it is too hard to do over long distance, so I told him to have it towed to a mechanice. He picked the local Merchants chain store, cuz that's where a friend of his had similar work done before.

They first told him it'd be $800+ to replace coils, computer module and position sensor. He said he didn't think that made sense so next they told him there's no way to tell if it is the electronic module or the crank position sensor and said should replace both...4 hrs labor ($80/hr) plus about $300 parts plus the tow.

Does that make sense? Does that agree with what the code reader said? Should I pull the car and take it elsewhere? The car only bluebooks at something like $2K so I'm pretty skeptical, especially since they tried to talk him into more stuff first and then whittled their way down to just $620+

Opinions/advice?

Tom


Jim in michigan    Posted 12-18-2004 at 17:33:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I dont usually post here,, I take it you have pulled the plugs and are sure there is no fire... next I would call a junk yard for a used module, why pay 80$+ to find it isnt that.Then go from there...Jim


RusselAZ    Posted 12-18-2004 at 15:45:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
He didn't take it to a mechanic. Chain stores don't know anything about driveability issues except to throw parts. Codes only steer a good technician to the area that a problem exist. If the place that is trying to sell him parts doesn't have it's own diagnostic tools he needs to get it someplace that does.

Further, you have been getting responses from people on this forum and I haven't seen where you said if it was a 4 cylinder or 6. Big difference in each ignition system.


Bkeepr: a little more    Posted 12-19-2004 at 02:22:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry, you're right.

4 cylinder 93 Corsica. As I said, I haven't spent much time working on it at all so I can't verify firsthand much the kid has told me.

So far, though, sounds to me like 4 hours labor is a bit much for the work involved in changing out these parts, though, which was my first gut-feeling concern. If they're going to lie about labor, then I don't trust them to tell the truth about parts or anything else either.


Rip Off    Posted 12-18-2004 at 12:11:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
The modual on the distributer only takes 15 min to change. That would be the first thing I would do and see if thaat was it 90% of time it is Why fix moduel for crank if you don't need it?/


Bob    Posted 12-18-2004 at 12:40:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
The cranksensor probably is plugged into the lower central rear of the engine, and has the igntion module piggy-backed on top of it with the coil pack on top of that. It takes a bit of time under the car, but it's not all that bad. Crank position sensor failure's not too uncommon, but neither is module failure!


mark    Posted 12-18-2004 at 12:04:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
There's a flow chart to follow depending on the
code given that'll pinpoint where the problem
is.

Just as a quick check see if the crank sensor
is unplugged, has a corroded plug, broken or
melted wire or it or the spot on the crank is
dirty.


Clod    Posted 12-18-2004 at 15:58:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
If it was a 1964 Malibu the problems would be simple enough to fix on the side of the road.<><>?>??>> Evidently the engine is not getting fire to the plugs.Unless they are like the shop Zenia went to and are guessing it out. There seems to be a big demend for late model auto mechanics. They call themselves technicians today.I am not fond of these changes they have made in the last twenty years>> Now watch somebody say ..Oh these cars run 100.000 miles without a tuneup!


RN    Posted 12-18-2004 at 19:01:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
and at end of 100,000 miles you are supposed to buy a new car? Things to worry about- spark plugs stuck in heads, end up breaking or stripping threads in head changing plugs finally when electrode worn to 150+ gap. Ignition trigger sensors- not adjustable like old points- delaminations and vibration, heat cause complete failure at variable times- statistically over 100,000 for large lots of the component, some fail much earlier. Fuel injectors failing from gasahol fuels used now- the injectors were designed and made for another fuel formula, seals and aluminum/magnesium cast parts now failing- EPA says car makers fault and must recall, Nissan court filings indicate fuel change in some states the problem- car owner and state or fuel dispensor to pay for replacement for early 80s pattern failures. Computerized fuel and ignition systems with multiple sensors and relays- one component fails and whole system down- limited replacement parts because of changes every 2 years /EPA rules cycle/change- a replacement part a year off won't work quite right or system won't work at all. Lets not forget timing belts breaking on high performance/ small diplacement engines- valve hits piston=magor head work and possible replace pistons- older GM iron duke pushrod engine suddenly looks cheaper - especially if driver can't remember if $29:95 belt was changed less than 100,000 miles back. Make 9N Fords look better deal. Current gripe for some people is failing fuel injectors on relatively newer cars- Car makers checking fuel say 1/2 the fuel being sold does not meet EPA standards for detergent, especially in high pollution areas (Milwaukee for one). MTBE additive now being called carcigen/ cancer causer, replace with ethanol suggestion not popular in California. Possible impression that it would reduce drinking alcohal supply for democrat politicians (Ted Kennedy?)? Temptation to license 69 Kaiser DJ for road again, avoid all the computer/EPA hassle. RN.


Clod    Posted 12-18-2004 at 21:03:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Every year that comes we find we have less
control over our lives and property.OH YES.our
money too.


bill b va    Posted 12-18-2004 at 17:33:17       [Reply]  [No Email]

clod the reason they call them selves technicians is they don't qualify as mechanicks . they are mostly parts changers .


mark    Posted 12-18-2004 at 16:06:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
: ) I hold a degree in both auto and diesel,
that's why I run trains. I have no desire to even
work on my own cars, there's no fun in it
anymore - the tractors are a diffrent story.


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